Cassel VS Orton

[RustShack]

Orton in his two years in our offense-

62.1% 3,802 yards 21 TD 12 INT 86.8 Rating 7.0 YPA
58.8% 3,653 yards 20 TD 9 INT 87.5 Rating 7.3 YPA

Cassel those same last two years in the same system with better cast-

55.0% 2,924 yards 16 TD 16 INT 69.9 Rating 5.93 YPA
58.2% 3,116 yards 27 TD 7 INT 93.0 Rating 6.92 YPA

[BoneKrusher]

Cassel has had countless games where he had almost as many INTs as passing yards.

go with your common sense and it's easy to see, Orton is an upgrade over Cassel.

Stanzi we just dont know yet, maybe he could be our future because i dont see Pioli drafting a QB in round one based on his past as a GM.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by BoneKrusher

Cassel has had countless games where he had almost as many INTs as passing yards.

go with your common sense and it's easy to see, Orton is an upgrade over Cassel.

Stanzi we just dont know yet, maybe he could be our future because i dont see Pioli drafting a QB in round one based on his past as a GM.

Pioli has seen the error of his ways, Mr. BoneKrusher.

Plus, he needs to carve his own way through the NFL jungle without relying on Wild Bill's safari guide. He'll draft his ass off this year. We'll be picking quarterbacks like they were blueberries growing down by the river where he had the last body dumped.

FAX

[burt]

As much as I dislike Cassel, our PROFESSIONAL coaches strongly believed him to be the best, out of our squad. He had lots of experience, and was/is better than Palko, and Stanzi(a developement QB, with a bright future). But Cassel is out for the season. Then a better QB than Cassel be came available.

SO WE TOOK HIM! ANY decent coach would have done the same thing. I am glad out front office and coaching staff recognized the opportunity and siezed it. We are better for it.

[InChiefsHeaven]

Ah ****it. Bring on Neckbeard. At this point, I honestly don't really care. Cassel showed beyond the shadow of a doubt that he's quality backup, preferably one you never really have to play. Palko is not even a stop gap. He's not even as much fun as Thiggy was. Stanzi went in the 5th for a reason, he's not ready yet and to toss him out there and break him before you even know what you have is not smart.

Orton makes sense, I guess. I never thought he was horrible, but I never really though much of him either. The FACT that he's an upgrade over Cassel speaks volumes. I hope he does good I guess. But the bourbon'll be flowin' all season regardless...so...Go Chiefs.

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

Ah ****it. Bring on Neckbeard. At this point, I honestly don't really care. Cassel showed beyond the shadow of a doubt that he's quality backup, preferably one you never really have to play. Palko is not even a stop gap. He's not even as much fun as Thiggy was. Stanzi went in the 5th for a reason, he's not ready yet and to toss him out there and break him before you even know what you have is not smart.

Orton makes sense, I guess. I never thought he was horrible, but I never really though much of him either. The FACT that he's an upgrade over Cassel speaks volumes. I hope he does good I guess. But the bourbon'll be flowin' all season regardless...so...Go Chiefs.

same here

[JD10367]

Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder

I don't care what the stats say, Orton is better than Cassel just from the eye test.

It's a good thing you don't care what the stats say, then. Since when you compare career averages Cassel actually has minutely better stats than Orton in TD/INT ratio, QB rating, completion %, and even YPC (despite everyone saying how great Orton is at throwing downfield).

I find it hilarious how so many people hated Orton when he was in Chicago and made fun of him, made fun of him getting traded to Denver, made fun of him getting cut by Denver in favor of Tim Tebow, but now that KC picked him up suddenly he's a great option.

Cassel wasn't the answer. Everyone wanted Cassel gone. And instead of seeing what Palko and Stanzi have, they spent $2.5M on someone who's possibly worse than Cassel.

And Orton will probably play well, for a game or two. He'll trick you into thinking it was the right move. But eventually KC will find out what Chicago and Denver did: he's just as average as the multitude of average QBs who aren't good enough to lead a team, and take it to the Super Bowl. And when they finally do find that out, he will have won a few games--just enough to push them down the draft chart until they can't get a good QB in Round One.

They took the option you all complain about: take someone else's trash and try to polish it up. You can't polish a turd (unless you're a Mythbuster).

[burt]

Originally Posted by JD10367

You can't polish a turd (unless you're a Mythbuster).

I hope the Chiefs coaching staff are Mythbusters!

Besides, Orton is minutely less than Cassel with a significantly lesser receiver corps. He will do fine.

[rockymtnchief]

Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

You can't throw deep if you can't protect long enough. Orton is a dink and dunker, and all of his deep passes come off of playaction.

Two years ago, you were hailing him as the greatest QB since Dan Pastorini.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by rockymtnchief

Two years ago, you were hailing him as the greatest QB since Dan Pastorini.

Yeah, and everyone over here talked about how Cassel was better.

Amazing how him getting picked up by the Chiefs suddenly turns the tables.

[BoneKrusher]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Yeah, and everyone over here talked about how Cassel was better.

not me, i never liked Cassel from Day one.

[rocknrolla]

Originally Posted by FAX

Pioli has seen the error of his ways, Mr. BoneKrusher.

Plus, he needs to carve his own way through the NFL jungle without relying on Wild Bill's safari guide. He'll draft his ass off this year. We'll be picking quarterbacks like they were blueberries growing down by the river where he had the last body dumped.

FAX

God! I hope that's what he is going to do.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by FAX

Yep.

And, I can certainly understand why so many people are worried that we're going to repeat the whole "retread quarterback" concept once more. It's been the Chiefs' approach for decades ... many of which I, myself, have suffered through, as well.

However, there is no rule anywhere that says we have to repeat that failed approach, nor is there any rule that says we are going to repeat it, nor is there any rule that says we must jam raw carrots up our hienies.

We have the core of a good team. A team that can win playoff games. And, a team that can dominate the AFC for years. We merely need to add a few pieces ... including a quarterback brimming with verve.

I refuse to hang my head and bitch and moan. Rather, I choose to bitch and moan and then hang my entire self, head and all. But, I don't think it's going to come to that. I think that we'll see continued improvement this year, draft another QB in April, then be super intelligent during the next off-season and training camp by allowing true competition for the starting quarterback role and I don't think the winner will be Orton. And, it won't be Cassel either because he'll either be working as head NFL doofus or heading back to Southern California just in time for the big one.

FAX

With JC, Berry and Moeaki the Chiefs have enough talent to make it to the playoffs....barely.

This offensive and defensive line aren't good enough to dominate anything.

Add a few pieces? The same can be said of any team. You add the right impact player and suddenly it makes a huge difference.

But this team doesn't have an impact player in the front three of the defensive line.

They don't have a single great player along the offensive line.

They have a single great player on offense, and that is Bowe. JC would give them a second.

They have a great interior LB and a good, borderline great OLB.

Flowers is a very good corner. Carr is average to good. Berry looked promising, but still wasn't 'great' yet. And, Kendrick Lewis looks solid.

The Chiefs have a bunch of quality NFL starters, but very few great players.

This team is still building and certainly going in the right direction.... but lets be a little realistic.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by BoneKrusher

not me, i never liked Cassel from Day one.

Even those who didn't like Cassel knew he was better than Orton.

I am all for upgrading the QB position... and there are things I like better about Orton.

The first is that it appears that he is willing to take more shots downfield. I think that is because of McDaniels coaching. I think Haley will coach the 'be safe' with the ball philosophy and we will see him go downfield less.

We shall see.

[burt]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

With JC, Berry and Moeaki the Chiefs have enough talent to make it to the playoffs....barely.

way wrong.

[Bacillus Anthracis]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

I understand your point about Cassel.

However, Orton was 1-4 this season. Tebow is 4-1 with the same team. Actually, they traded away their best WR before Tebow took over.

You really think Orton is better than Cassel?

Denver's defense wasn't playing at the same level before Tebow Bieber took over. Neither was their 0-line.

But Orton isn't better than Cassel. At best he's the same. All the Chiefs would be doing is exchanging being pissed off at one quarterback for another.