Sac's 2012 End of Season Mock - Page 4

Saccopoo · 09:12 PM

1. Peter Konz, C; Wisconsin: 6'3", 313 lbs.
- Yep, it's a ten pick reach at minimum, but Casey Wiegmann, while one of the best at his position during his career, is sniffing 40 and contemplated retirement before this past season. Rather than moving Hudson to center, keep him at guard (where he was a three time ACC first teamer & AP AA) and get a guy like Konz when you have the chance. He's big, physical and has the strength to handle even the biggest defensive tackles. I don't know if he's as good as Alex Mack at the same stage, but he reminds me a lot of him.

Other options would include OT's Riley Rieff or Jon Martin; ILB's Luke Kuechly or Dont'a Hightower (no Burfict as he hasn't shown the instincts to play at the next level or the capability to be anything other than a 15 yard personal foul waiting to happen).

2. Matt Reynolds, OT; BYU: 6'6", 330 lbs.
- Reynolds is a four year starter, and three year conference first teamer at left tackle. This also might be a bit of a reach, but he won't last beyond the second round and is most likely a better pro prospect than any offensive tackle beyond the top three. He's very athletic for a guy his size and could effectively play either side of the line. Plays nasty and through the whistle. Barry Richardson might be the worst starting offensive tackle in the NFL and the position needs to be addressed immediately. If the Chiefs don't get a shot at one of the top three in the first round, it needs to be addressed here - and Pioli has also shown the propensity to draft offensive line in the second round.

3. Derrek Wolfe, DT; Cincinatti: 6'5", 310 lbs.
- Initially, I would have loved the Chiefs to have picked up Wolfe in the 5th round, but after a monster 2011 season where he had 19.5 tackles for a loss and 9.5 sacks from the defensive tackle position for the Bearcats, he's going to be a riser, especially at the 3-4 defensive end spot where his length and speed to go along with his size are damn near prototype for the position. Jackson flashed a couple times in 2011 for the Chiefs, but Dorsey just looks like a "guy" out there and has a tendency to get absolutely engulfed by NFL guards.

4. Vick Ballard, RB; Mississippi State: 5'11", 215 lbs.
- With teams loading the box in an effort to stop him (because the Bulldogs didn't have much else offensively), Ballard still managed over 1000 yards on a 5.6 yards per carry. He's physically solid with good muscle mass and has very good vision. Is effective inside as well as out and is a good receiver. He went for 180 yards and two TD's in the Music City Bowl to close out his college career. He's a really good runnning back that would effectively fill the Thomas Jones spot in the lineup.

5. Tank Carder, MLB; TCU; 6'2", 240 lbs.
- With the two best blocking tight ends (Lutzenkirchen and Williams) going back to school for the 2013 season, this gets changed to linebacking stud Carder, who is the two-time MWC Defensive Player of the Year. Very instinctive and fundamentally sound, he was asked to do a lot in the middle playing in TCU's oddball 4-2-5 defense. Is effective in both coverage and filling the gaps on runs. Likes to put the big hit on carriers, but also plays smart. Is long and would be capable of carrying more weight to play inside in a 34. MVP of the 2011 Rosebowl when TCU beat a very good Wisconsin team. The guy can play some football.

6. Sean Cattouse, SS; California: 6'2", 215 lbs.
- With the loss of Berry at the start of the season, it highlighted the lack of depth that the Chiefs have at the strong safety position. McGraw has superb instincts but runs like he's in molasses. Sabby was a stopgap because of the injury. Cattouse has been solid for the Bears all season and one of the few bright spots on their defense. He's big, fast, likes to put the big hit on guys and has the tools to be an effective player with coaching. This is what you want in a backup strong safety.

7. Nick Provo, TE; Syracuse: 6'4", 250 lbs.
- Originally this was Caleb McSurdy, ILB; Montana, but with the pick of Carder in the fifth, another productive tight end on the roster is needed. Provo was First Team All-Big East in 2011 and set the Syracuse school record for career receptions for a tight end despite really only getting onto the field his junior and senior seasons. A Mackey semi-finalist in 2011.

htismaqe · 01-10-2012, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies

The most surprising part of this mock is the absence of Albert bashing. A big step in the right direction.

Honestly, if that first pick can't be a QB nobody is going to be happy anyway...

Oh it's not absent. It's just more subtle.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...28&postcount=9

jd1020 · 01-10-2012, 04:51 PM

Pretty much the only pick I like in this mock is the Cattouse pick. I've been pimping him in my mocks for a while.

Peter Konz at 11/12?
Matt Reynolds in the early second? The guy has a pretty universal 3rd-4th projection.
Derek Wolfe in the 3rd?
Vick Ballard in the 4th? Give me Robert Turbin in the 4th. Give me Vick Ballard/Tauren Poole in the 5th+.

No clue who the 5th/7th round picks are so I can't comment but they probably fall in line with the overall theme of the rest of this.

Saccopoo · 01-10-2012, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Yeah, because using all those high draft picks on offensive linemen has helped control the line of scrimmage for the Rams...

The Rams, to quote the crusader in Indiana Jones, picked poorly. I didn't like Smith going into the draft. I think Saffold, a second round pick, is pretty good, but is better suited to the right side. And, in all honesty, they don't have a very good interior line.

As much crap as I give Albert, he did have an okay year this past year. The Chiefs need a right tackle however. They also need a center.

With the defensive improvements that we've seen this past year and the return of Berry next season, having a bit more leverage in ball control situations (which we haven't had in the past couple years) would really benefit this team.

Guys like Konz and Reynolds added to what we already have would really solidify that aspect of the game. (And that has been a problem for this offense the past three or four seasons.)

Blick · 01-10-2012, 04:59 PM

Would take the OL picks if we got a QB like Moore later.

Damn the size, that kid can play.

Saccopoo · 01-10-2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Urc Burry

Did I call them shitty teams?

How did your boy Zane Taylor turn out? And Brian Bulaga would of been such a steal at the 5th pick in the '10 draft!

Can I safely assume you are mormon for how biased you are of your Utah linemen?

What does my religious affiliation have to do with anything? (Even assuming that I have a religious affiliation.) You have a problem with certain religions?

And I don't think that Bulaga matriculated at a Utah institution of higher learning.

As well, you did say "shitty conferences," which would imply the Big Ten, the Pac 12, the MWC (which has won a number of BCS bowls recently). Yep, those "shitty" conferences.

As well, I was advocating Taylor in the sixth round. I don't think that's too much of a reach for a player at a position that the Chiefs needed.

You are kind of an idiot, aren't you?

jd1020 · 01-10-2012, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Pretty much the only pick I like in this mock is the Cattouse pick. I've been pimping him in my mocks for a while.

Peter Konz at 11/12?
Matt Reynolds in the early second? The guy has a pretty universal 3rd-4th projection.
Derek Wolfe in the 3rd?
Vick Ballard in the 4th? Give me Robert Turbin in the 4th. Give me Vick Ballard/Tauren Poole in the 5th+.

No clue who the 5th/7th round picks are so I can't comment but they probably fall in line with the overall theme of the rest of this.

AUBURN--Auburn junior tight end Philip Lutzenkirchen, who was a second-team All-Southeastern Conference selection in 2011, will return for his senior season. As a junior, Lutzenkirchen was third on the team in receptions (24) and receiving yards (238) while catching a team-high seven touchdowns.

"I'm excited to be coming back to Auburn for my senior season and help us work towards our goal we set every year, which is playing in the SEC Championship game in Atlanta," Lutzenkirchen said. "It was an easy decision to make and finishing 2011 with a win in the Chick-fil-A Bowl will be huge in helping us prepare for 2012."

A native of Marietta, Ga., Lutzenkirchen has 44 career receptions for 489 yards and 14 touchdowns. He is the school record holder for career touchdown receptions by a tight end.

"We're looking forward to Philip returning for his senior season," Auburn head coach Gene Chizik said. "The success he's had at Auburn will help provide great leadership for our team in 2012."

Auburn finished the 2011 season with an 8-5 record after defeating Virginia, 43-24, in the Chick-fil-A Bowl on Dec. 31.

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I still can't find anything on Caleb Mcsurdy. No one even so much as mentions his name.

EDIT: http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...012&genpos=ILB

There he is!!!!!!!... the 46th ranked ILB according to nfldraftscout. Seems like a viable option for a draft pick.

O.city · 01-10-2012, 07:38 PM

If we are goin ILB, I'd take Hightower in the second and Nate Potter in the third if he is around.

Whatever happens in the 1st round, happens I guess. Konz isn't flashy but we do need a C.

**Saul Good** · 01-10-2012, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

How many passes did Tebow complete when the Broncos beat the Chiefs in Arrowhead this past season?

And how many yards did Matt Stafford pass for the past two games, which were both losses?

You still have to control the line of scrimmage.

Tebow beat a combination of Cassel and Palko.

As for Stafford, he threw for 759 yards with 4 TDs and 3 INTs in the two games against the Saints.

Meanwhile, Brees threw for 801 yards, 6 TDs, and 0 INTs.

The better QB won both games.

Saccopoo · 01-10-2012, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

If we are goin ILB, I'd take Hightower in the second and Nate Potter in the third if he is around.

Whatever happens in the 1st round, happens I guess. Konz isn't flashy but we do need a C.

Nate Potter is, like former Bronco Clady, going to end up on the left side of the line. He's very athletic with very good technique, but he's not a real power player. I think he'll be a pretty good pro, but he's going to have to be in the right system.

I seriously doubt Hightower will make it to the second round. He looks likes he's back to full speed, which is remarkable considering the massive damage his knee took in that malicious hit two seasons ago. He's got huge legs and can drive through most blockers. He's prototype for the 3-4 MLB position. He'll drop over concerns about his knee, but he won't drop too far. If he's there in the second, the Chiefs should seriously consider him.

Nightfyre · 01-10-2012, 10:09 PM

How did Sacc just out-sacc himself?

Chiefnj2 · 01-11-2012, 09:36 AM

Chiefs Run Blocking Grades, per PFF

Wiegmann: -4.4 (26th out of 35)
Albert: -1.0 (32nd out of 76)
Asamoah: -12.3 (70th out of 77)
Lilja: -3.8 (40th out of 77)
Richardson: -19.5 (76th out 76)

Saccopoo · 01-11-2012, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Chiefs Run Blocking Grades, per PFF

Wiegmann: -4.4 (26th out of 35)
Albert: -1.0 (32nd out of 76)
Asamoah: -12.3 (70th out of 77)
Lilja: -3.8 (40th out of 77)
Richardson: -19.5 (76th out 76)

That looks about right.

Amazing how everyone thought that our guys were superlative run blockers when Charles was in there and when he goes down for the season, it's a different story. Weird.

El Jefe · 01-11-2012, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Chiefs Run Blocking Grades, per PFF

Wiegmann: -4.4 (26th out of 35)
Albert: -1.0 (32nd out of 76)
Asamoah: -12.3 (70th out of 77)
Lilja: -3.8 (40th out of 77)
Richardson: -19.5 (76th out 76)

Ouch!

**The Franchise** · 01-11-2012, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

That looks about right.

Amazing how everyone thought that our guys were superlative run blockers when Charles was in there and when he goes down for the season, it's a different story. Weird.

Obviously a better RB is going to skew numbers.

Saccopoo · 01-11-2012, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Obviously a better RB is going to skew numbers.

I was being facetious and attempting to point out that everyone last year felt our offensive line was just fine because "Look! We are the number one rushing team in the league!"

Charles is that good, and was able to make Cassel a Pro Bowler and Albert and Richardson respectable in some peoples eyes. However, knowing the shelf life of a NFL running back is shorter than Howard Stern's unit, it still amazes me to see people advocating taking Trent Richardson, a young quarterback (Tannehill - and seriously, who in their right mind thinks Tannehill at #11 is a sane pick? That's ludicrious.), etc., when our offensive trench is so ineffective.

01-10-2012, 01:53 PM
Saccopoo Kindness in words... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Zion Casino cash: $10025483	Sac's 2012 End of Season Mock 1. Peter Konz, C; Wisconsin: 6'3", 313 lbs. - Yep, it's a ten pick reach at minimum, but Casey Wiegmann, while one of the best at his position during his career, is sniffing 40 and contemplated retirement before this past season. Rather than moving Hudson to center, keep him at guard (where he was a three time ACC first teamer & AP AA) and get a guy like Konz when you have the chance. He's big, physical and has the strength to handle even the biggest defensive tackles. I don't know if he's as good as Alex Mack at the same stage, but he reminds me a lot of him. Other options would include OT's Riley Rieff or Jon Martin; ILB's Luke Kuechly or Dont'a Hightower (no Burfict as he hasn't shown the instincts to play at the next level or the capability to be anything other than a 15 yard personal foul waiting to happen). 2. Matt Reynolds, OT; BYU: 6'6", 330 lbs. - Reynolds is a four year starter, and three year conference first teamer at left tackle. This also might be a bit of a reach, but he won't last beyond the second round and is most likely a better pro prospect than any offensive tackle beyond the top three. He's very athletic for a guy his size and could effectively play either side of the line. Plays nasty and through the whistle. Barry Richardson might be the worst starting offensive tackle in the NFL and the position needs to be addressed immediately. If the Chiefs don't get a shot at one of the top three in the first round, it needs to be addressed here - and Pioli has also shown the propensity to draft offensive line in the second round. 3. Derrek Wolfe, DT; Cincinatti: 6'5", 310 lbs. - Initially, I would have loved the Chiefs to have picked up Wolfe in the 5th round, but after a monster 2011 season where he had 19.5 tackles for a loss and 9.5 sacks from the defensive tackle position for the Bearcats, he's going to be a riser, especially at the 3-4 defensive end spot where his length and speed to go along with his size are damn near prototype for the position. Jackson flashed a couple times in 2011 for the Chiefs, but Dorsey just looks like a "guy" out there and has a tendency to get absolutely engulfed by NFL guards. 4. Vick Ballard, RB; Mississippi State: 5'11", 215 lbs. - With teams loading the box in an effort to stop him (because the Bulldogs didn't have much else offensively), Ballard still managed over 1000 yards on a 5.6 yards per carry. He's physically solid with good muscle mass and has very good vision. Is effective inside as well as out and is a good receiver. He went for 180 yards and two TD's in the Music City Bowl to close out his college career. He's a really good runnning back that would effectively fill the Thomas Jones spot in the lineup. 5. Tank Carder, MLB; TCU; 6'2", 240 lbs. - With the two best blocking tight ends (Lutzenkirchen and Williams) going back to school for the 2013 season, this gets changed to linebacking stud Carder, who is the two-time MWC Defensive Player of the Year. Very instinctive and fundamentally sound, he was asked to do a lot in the middle playing in TCU's oddball 4-2-5 defense. Is effective in both coverage and filling the gaps on runs. Likes to put the big hit on carriers, but also plays smart. Is long and would be capable of carrying more weight to play inside in a 34. MVP of the 2011 Rosebowl when TCU beat a very good Wisconsin team. The guy can play some football. 6. Sean Cattouse, SS; California: 6'2", 215 lbs. - With the loss of Berry at the start of the season, it highlighted the lack of depth that the Chiefs have at the strong safety position. McGraw has superb instincts but runs like he's in molasses. Sabby was a stopgap because of the injury. Cattouse has been solid for the Bears all season and one of the few bright spots on their defense. He's big, fast, likes to put the big hit on guys and has the tools to be an effective player with coaching. This is what you want in a backup strong safety. 7. Nick Provo, TE; Syracuse: 6'4", 250 lbs. - Originally this was Caleb McSurdy, ILB; Montana, but with the pick of Carder in the fifth, another productive tight end on the roster is needed. Provo was First Team All-Big East in 2011 and set the Syracuse school record for career receptions for a tight end despite really only getting onto the field his junior and senior seasons. A Mackey semi-finalist in 2011. Last edited by Saccopoo; 01-17-2012 at 09:12 PM..
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jd1020 In Search of a Life Join Date: Nov 2010 Casino cash: $6932645	Pretty much the only pick I like in this mock is the Cattouse pick. I've been pimping him in my mocks for a while. Peter Konz at 11/12? Matt Reynolds in the early second? The guy has a pretty universal 3rd-4th projection. Derek Wolfe in the 3rd? Vick Ballard in the 4th? Give me Robert Turbin in the 4th. Give me Vick Ballard/Tauren Poole in the 5th+. No clue who the 5th/7th round picks are so I can't comment but they probably fall in line with the overall theme of the rest of this.
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