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Old 04-27-2012, 01:47 PM  
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Last nights first rounder.
I figured with all the bitching going on we could have a thread like this.


Knowing the way the picks before us fell, who would you rather have had with our pick?


No trading down, we have no idea where we would have went.


At 11, what pick would have made you not bitch.


I'm not arguing for the pick. Not a huge fan of it.


However, it was basically the only pick that brought us a guy that would start at a position of need. Only other guy who would have been a day 1 starter was Decastro.
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Old 04-27-2012, 02:49 PM   #46
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Uhhhhh........Belcher is that guy.

And he's only getting better.
Then if true we didn't need Hightower. Again, I don't know much about Hightower so ...
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Old 04-27-2012, 02:52 PM   #47
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Hali and Houston don't play every down. Ingram could've given them a few snaps off. Also, in certain situations like 2nd or 3rd and long, he could sub for Dorsey/Jackson to rush the passer. The point is, you find a way to get your best rushers on the field, much like the Giants do.
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Old 04-27-2012, 02:55 PM   #48
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Stop using the Giants. We run a 34, they run a 43.


Totally different scheme.
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Old 04-27-2012, 02:56 PM   #49
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Hali and Houston don't play every down. Ingram could've given them a few snaps off. Also, in certain situations like 2nd or 3rd and long, he could sub for Dorsey/Jackson to rush the passer. The point is, you find a way to get your best rushers on the field, much like the Giants do.
So you draft a guy at #11 to play backup?
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Old 04-27-2012, 02:57 PM   #50
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Dan Saly, who was the last good NT the Chiefs have had, imo, averaged 3.5 sacks a year with the Chiefs. That is the level I am holding Poe too at this point. It also points out that your NT is not there to get a ton of sacks and tackles but to eat up space, take on 2 blockers and allow the LB's to make the plays.
Different defensive scheme.
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Old 04-27-2012, 02:57 PM   #51
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Where would you have played him? Would you have benched Houston? Just curious, seriously, not being a smartass just wondering where you would have worked him in?
As Munson points out, Hali and Houston don't, or shouldn't, play every down, so he'd rotate in there.

the Chiefs also use sub package schemes about 60% of snaps, and he would be able to play inside with DJ, and either drop in coverage or blitz.

He can also line up at DE in passing situations.

There's a multitude of ways to get him on the field for a majority of snaps.
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Old 04-27-2012, 02:57 PM   #52
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I'm pissed, how many more first round picks are we gonna use on the D-line until we get it right??

The defination of insanity/stupidity = doing the same thing while expecting different results!

As to your premise, thinking and reading the above posts, I begrudgedly accept that Poe was the best pick for value and need
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Old 04-27-2012, 02:57 PM   #53
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No other way to spin it.

Yes Ingram would have provided a nice additional, situational pass rush.

But the Chiefs decided to instead draft the rare freak of nature with the ability to play what might be the hardest spot to find on the field outside of QB.

Hard to fault them for that.
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Old 04-27-2012, 02:58 PM   #54
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Stop using the Giants. We run a 34, they run a 43.


Totally different scheme.
Different defenses, same idea.
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Stop using the Giants. We run a 34, they run a 43.

Totally different scheme.
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So you draft a guy at #11 to play backup?
The Giants utilize a system where they wear down tackles over the course of the game by keeping a fresh, talented trio of devastating passrushers fresh with their ears constantly pinned down.

There is no reason why we couldn't embrace that philosophy here.
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No other way to spin it.

Yes Ingram would have provided a nice additional, situational pass rush.

But the Chiefs decided to instead draft the rare freak of nature with the ability to play what might be the hardest spot to find on the field outside of QB.

Hard to fault them for that.
Ingram was a pipe dream anyway. His arms are too short.

The only short-armed passrusher in the league that has done anything is Tamba Hali, and he had to become a ****ing black belt to pull it off.
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Old 04-27-2012, 02:59 PM   #57
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I would have taken Cox or Brockers to play DE.
I would have taken DeCastro.
I would have taken Kirkpatrick.
I would have taken Ingram, McClellin, Mercilus or Jones.
I would have taken Floyd.
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This might sound weird but I love swinging for the fences.

If you hit, you have greatness. If you whiff, you suffer greatly for it and draft that QB in the top 5.

Playing it safe IMO is a great way to always be 8-8.
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Old 04-27-2012, 03:00 PM   #59
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As much as I hate the Poe pick, the board fell terribly to us because Keuchly and Barron did not fall to us. If they had, we could have taken one or traded back and still gotten a good DT/DE.

There was no one left at our pick that was worth someone jumping up to get except Philly (who wanted a DT). We still could have taken Ingram or Brockers or anyone, I know.
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He is a damn good football who was the heart & soul of Alabama's defense.
Trust me. Josh Chapman was the heart & soul of that defense. He was that team's emotional leader, especially off-the-field. He set the tone in practice. He set the tone just walking around campus.
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