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Old 02-01-2014, 07:52 PM   #1
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Guard is a really tough position to quantify. I mean, what stats are there to support your decision ?
12 NFL pro-bowls, Walter Payton NFL player of the year and NFL all decade team from the 90's should be a good enough measuring stick.

Will Shields got ****ed.
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Old 02-01-2014, 09:31 PM   #2
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12 NFL pro-bowls, Walter Payton NFL player of the year and NFL all decade team from the 90's should be a good enough measuring stick.

Will Shields got ****ed.
Yeah, that resume should do it, particularly the All Decade team.
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Old 02-02-2014, 07:34 AM   #3
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Yeah, that resume should do it, particularly the All Decade team.
Exactly. I'm truly baffled and figured Will would be a shoe in even before he hung up his cleats, no problem.

Then to top it off, with the getting passed over for what has to be the weakest class I can recall is total and absolute bullshit.

I mean seriously- Will, Roaf, and Waters should all be no brainers.

What this indicates to me is there really are a lot of guys On this committee that unless it was major media market and/or on nationally quite a bit, they truly don't have a ****ing clue and probably very time actually watching some of these guys.
There's a good segment of NFL fans out there- the junkies, guys who have had the NFL ticket for 10-15 years, and feast On watching all they can. Hell, I'd say guys like that are better qualified to be the ones casting a vote on it!
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Old 02-01-2014, 07:50 PM   #4
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Brooks is borderline, IMO. But I think the standard for the HOF should be a lot higher than it is.
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Old 02-01-2014, 07:50 PM   #5
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is the difference maker really winning? playoffs? super bowls? That's the only thing that seperates guys like Derrick Brooks and Aeneas Williams from Will Shields

they were carried to a Super Bowl and Shields was not.
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Old 02-01-2014, 08:07 PM   #6
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is the difference maker really winning? playoffs? super bowls? That's the only thing that seperates guys like Derrick Brooks and Aeneas Williams from Will Shields

they were carried to a Super Bowl and Shields was not.
It's mostly winning Super Bowls. Very good players with Super Bowl hardware will have an advantage over very good players without.
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Old 02-01-2014, 08:09 PM   #7
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Wouldn't surprise me if Blob Gretz has his ****ing hands allover this. It took someone else taking over the campaign to get Derrick Thomas in the HoF finally, because he was such a colossal **** up.
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Old 02-01-2014, 08:29 PM   #8
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Wouldn't surprise me if Blob Gretz has his ****ing hands allover this. It took someone else taking over the campaign to get Derrick Thomas in the HoF finally, because he was such a colossal **** up.
Not positive, but I think Covitz that handles that now. I know he is the KC voter on the committee.
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It's mostly winning Super Bowls. Very good players with Super Bowl hardware will have an advantage over very good players without.
Only 3 of the 7 have a Super Bowl ring.
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Only 3 of the 7 have a Super Bowl ring.
Yeah, but they did all play in at least one... I think.
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I don't get the Walter Jones love? He was good.....but great? First ballot great??
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Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down.

One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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Brooks was a huge part of the Bucs defensive turnaround... played in several big playoff games and won a Super Bowl. That's the difference.

It's kind of weird he got in right away and DT didn't... not sure that's fair. But they were complete opposites as players so it's hard to compare. DT was all rush, no coverage... Brooks was no rush, all world in coverage.
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Williams was even declining when he went to St. Louis and moved to safety, so he doesn't even have that many high-level seasons.

Was anyone ever afraid of playing him? Did you think when we'd play Arizona "Well, they might suck but they've got Aeneas Williams". I don't get it.
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wow, that's a pretty weak class.
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Aeneas Williams was good but not even close to HOF good, this is a joke.
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