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Old 08-18-2016, 07:52 AM  
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Barnwell on Derek Carr
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Carr's offensive line allowed him to do things that were relative luxuries for Bortles and Bridgewater, like breathe in the pocket without fearing for his life. Carr was pressured on only 21.6 percent of his dropbacks, the fifth-lowest rate among starting quarterbacks. A quarterback who gets the ball out quickly can distort that number (see: Tom Brady), but other metrics suggest that wasn't the case with Carr. He took 2.44 seconds before his typical pass, 15th in the league. Carr's average throw traveled 7.67 yards in the air, which was slightly below league average and one full yard deeper than the typical Bridgewater pass (6.66)...


It's another Oakland credo to go after enormous receivers. Carr's average pass went to a receiver who was 74.3 inches tall (a little over 6 feet 2), giving him the fourth-largest receiving corps in football. (Jacksonville's grouping was third.) Sadly, they weren't always his friends. Oakland's pass-catchers, which will return virtually unchanged in 2016, dropped 5.1 percent of Carr's throws last year. That was the fifth-worst rate in the league. It's hard to see these receivers combining to drop as many passes in 2016, particularly Cooper, who should be healthier after struggling through plantar fasciitis a year ago. While analyses suggesting Cooper dropped 18 passes seem off the mark, ESPN Stats & Information has Cooper down for 10 drops on 126 targets, the second-highest total in the league behind Tampa's Mike Evans.

The one perhaps concerning quirk surrounding Carr's 2015 season is what happened as it went along: Namely, Carr got worse. A lot worse. His QBR during Weeks 1-9, covering Oakland's first eight games, was 11th in the league at 66.6. During Oakland's final eight games, Carr's QBR dropped to just 35.1, leaving him 28th out of 29 passers. Only Bortles, coincidentally, was worse. Carr's decline came under duress. He had the league's lowest pressure rate during the first half of the year, at 17.6 percent. Over the final eight weeks, that pressure rate leaped up to 25.0 percent. That was only eighth in the league, but it was enough to help throw Carr off track....


There is something that will have to improve, though, fluke or otherwise: Late in games, for whatever reason, Carr was a mess. He posted a 19.9 QBR in the fourth quarter and overtime, which was the second-worst mark in the league ahead of Nick Foles. Bortles, one spot ahead of Carr, finished at 31.2. Seven of Carr's 13 picks came in the fourth quarter and OT, despite the fact that he threw only 31 percent of his passes during that time frame. Only Matthew Stafford had a higher interception rate in the fourth quarter/OT (6.8 percent) than Carr (5.3 percent).
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Ok? Now post some gifs of his 4th quarter meltdowns.
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Derek Carr also had 100 more pass attempts to get to those gaudy numbers than Alex Smith last year...Alex had a higher YPA, rating and total QBR.

Also, when you figure in rushing yards...their offensive production was almost identical...again, with Alex having less attempts.

The only thing Carr was better at was testing defenses deep...and even at that I bet the risk to reward was t all that great due to turnovers...ill have to check
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Derek Carr also had 100 more pass attempts to get to those gaudy numbers than Alex Smith last year...Alex had a higher YPA, rating and total QBR.

Also, when you figure in rushing yards...their offensive production was almost identical...again, with Alex having less attempts.

The only thing Carr was better at was testing defenses deep...and even at that I bet the risk to reward was t all that great due to turnovers...ill have to check
Yeah, KC has a better running game and defense then they do. Im sure they wish they could play hold the lead and run out the clock in the 4th but they are not good enough yet.
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Ok? Now post some gifs of his 4th quarter meltdowns.
the point is that he can do things that Alex can't do and attempts throws he wouldn't even consider

check back in 10 years and see who had the better career because of that difference alone
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the point is that he can do things that Alex can't do and attempts throws he wouldn't even consider

check back in 10 years and see who had the better career because of that difference alone
How is the 5 year prediction you made between the careers of Geno Smith vs Alex Smith working out for you?

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the point is that he can do things that Alex can't do and attempts throws he wouldn't even consider

check back in 10 years and see who had the better career because of that difference alone
And Alex can do things Carr can't do.

After its all said and done, their production was very similar.

The difference being that KC had a much better running game, so that made the running game score more for KC.

If Oakland had Spencer Ware, Carr wouldn't have as many TDs.
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And Alex can do things Carr can't do.

After its all said and done, their production was very similar.
Yeah gonna say that's bullshit. Carr is almost as mobile and accounted for 10 more TDs.

Grasping at straws here.

Alex is better at being scared and punting though.
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the point is that he can do things that Alex can't do and attempts throws he wouldn't even consider

check back in 10 years and see who had the better career because of that difference alone
He also does a lot of dumb things that Alex won't do. If he hadn't thrown those dumb interceptions last year, he could've beat KC. Strong arm QB's are nice. But you still have to be smart with the ball. Jeff George had a cannon for an arm. Where did that get him? Jamarcus Russell, Geno SMith, the list goes on and on. If he doesn't improve on his bad decisions, that big arm won't be enough to make him good.
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Yeah gonna say that's bullshit. Carr is almost as mobile and accounted for 10 more TDs.

Grasping at straws here.

Alex is better at being scared and punting though.
Ummm no.
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Carr
573 pass attempts for 3987 yards 32tds
33 rush attempts for 138 yards 0tds
That's 606 attempts for 4125 yards and 32tds

Smith
470 pass attempts for 3486 yards 20tds
84 rush attempts for 498 yards 2tds
That's 554 attempts for 3984 yards and 22tds

Not much different.

Especially when you factor in that KCs running game scored a ton of TDs and Oaklands didn't.
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