Chiefs Arguing with a Co-Worker - Page 4

**gblowfish** · 11-02-2016, 12:15 PM

Since Foles is going to start this week, around the office, the guys were talking about this history of Chiefs QBs. One guy said "I wish we could have Vermeil and Green now...we'd go all the way." I basically said Vermeil was a mediocre coach with his time in KC, and Green was not a successful Chiefs QB. "How can you say that? He's the best QB KC had since Dawson." I said that you could argue that Cassel was as good as Green. Both had taken the team to the playoffs, both had equal playoff wins (zero). Green lost to Indy twice; Cassel to Baltimore at Arrowhead.

The Elephant in the Room for KC has always been the QB position. Here's some stuff to chew on:

KC's all time playoff record is 9-16. No super bowl since the 1969 season. That's 47 years, but who's counting?

Last time Chiefs drafted a QB in the 1st round was Blackledge in 1983.

The Chiefs have always used cast offs from other teams. Here a list of former SF QBs that have started for KC:
DeBerg, Montana, Bono, Grbac, Smith.

Other team castoff QBs that have started for KC over the years:
Dawson, Jaworski, Vlasic, Krieg, Gannon, Moon, Green, Huard, Cassel, now Foles.

Other QBs the Chiefs have drafted since Blackledge, and the round:

1987 Doug Hudson 7th, 1988 Danny McManus, 8th round, 1989 Mike Elkins 2nd Round, 1992 Matt Blunden 2nd Round, 1994 Steve Matthews 7th Round, 1995 Steve Stenstrom 4th Round, 1997 Pat Barnes 4th Round, 2005 James Killian 7th Round, 2006 Brodie Croyle 3rd Round, 2011 Ricky Stanzi, 5th Round, 2014 Aaron Murray, 5th Round. 2016: Kevin Hogan, 5th Round.

And that doesn't count the free agents and other camp invitees like Trick Shot Tanney and Casey Printers.

Chiefs traded their first round pick in 2001 to the Rams for Trent Green. That's the closest they've had to a 1st round QB pick since Blackledge.

Someday, they're going to have to draft and develop a QB. It's been 33 years since the last one. That has to be a record in the NFL. I wonder how many #1 picks the Browns have spent on QBs since 1983?

DJ's left nut · 11-02-2016, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Not true at all. Vermeil left the defense to his coordinators and to Peterson. There was a lot of change in personnel during those years. Gunther even had his wish list that Peterson delivered - Kendrall Bell, Patrick Surtain, Knight and some other guys who went belly up.

Yeah, you could try to argue that his loyalty to G-Rob hamstrung us for a year or so there but ultimately Vermiel just let his DC and GM do the work.

I guess you could argue that he should've taken a more pro-active approach to that side of the ball but precisely what good would it have done? He didn't really know what was going on over there anyway. And frankly, I'm not convinced Andy knows a hell of a lot about what we're doing with the D either. I think he does the same thing Vermiel did, he just hitched his wagon to a sturdier horse.

Chiefnj2 · 11-02-2016, 03:00 PM

George,

If Green was not a successful QB then does that mean that Gonzalez wasn't a successful TE and DT wasn't a successful DE/OLB?

O.city · 11-02-2016, 03:21 PM

Yeah, the chiefs haven't had a qb blah blah. They haven't built a roster worth a shit since the 90s either.

ClevelandBronco · 11-02-2016, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

George,

If Green was not a successful QB then does that mean that Gonzalez wasn't a successful TE and DT wasn't a successful DE/OLB?

Trent Green was the Tony Gonzalez of quarterbacks? The DT of QBs?

Come on.

DJ's left nut · 11-02-2016, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

Trent Green was the Tony Gonzalez of quarterbacks? The DT of QBs?

Come on.

"You could make an argument...."

Reerun_KC · 11-02-2016, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, the chiefs haven't had a qb blah blah. They haven't built a roster worth a shit since the 90s either.

Even then they still went with junk QBs and little offensive weapons.

**Easy 6** · 11-02-2016, 03:40 PM

Your weekly observations are anything but "inane", gblowfish

**Scorp** · 11-02-2016, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish

I said that you could argue that Cassel was as good as Green.

No...................... just no

lcarus · 11-02-2016, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ptlyon

His offenses in KC and STL were really great. Too young to know about his time in Philly but I know he had some success there. And he did it all with Jaworski and Trent Green/Kurt Warner.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 11-02-2016, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dayze

you win Superbowls with a Corvette at QB.

The Chiefs have been lining up to race for years with a stock Honda Civic, where their only chance to win is if the Corvette blows up at the start of the race.

Really? Peyton Manning was god awful last year. Russell Wilson won a SB with game manager numbers and a terrible wide receiving corps. Eli Manning is above average on a VERY good day.

Tom Brady won his first 3 superbowls putting up paltry stats that could be mistaken for Ryan Fitzpatrick's. http://www.pro-football-reference.co...B/BradTo00.htm

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