Chiefs Patrick Mahomes Might Force Chiefs Hand In 2017 - Page 4

BryanBusby · 08-21-2017, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I disagree.

The Chiefs can get plenty of cap relief next year without cutting Smith.

Hold on to him until the final week of the preseason, at the latest.

Teams will make offers.

They will have 44 pending FA's and about 4.5 million in space to work with, if they carry every bit of space they have now (they won't).

Cutting Hali and DJ alone won't be enough.

RippedmyFlesh · 08-21-2017, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I disagree.

The Chiefs can get plenty of cap relief next year without cutting Smith.

Hold on to him until the final week of the preseason, at the latest.

Teams will make offers.

I think if they cut Smith they will do it early to Smith's benefit to give him
max time to go somewhere. There is no way I see them not cutting Smith.
No way Smith would want to be a backup anywhere and he should start at least 3 or 4 places.
I am no cap wizard but I can't see a way to save the money we get by cutting Smith elsewhere.

ChiefsCountry · 08-21-2017, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ptlyon

It would be but unlikely to happen. Everyone knows he's hitting the bricks next year due to the cap.

Same thing was happening to him in 2013 and we poined up. Surely some team will be as dumb as us.

**ptlyon** · 08-21-2017, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Same thing was happening to him in 2013 and we poined up. Surely some team will be as dumb as us.

Yeah, well that's us. Not a real NFL team.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-21-2017, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ptlyon

Yeah, well that's us. Not a real NFL team.

The Vikings gave up much more for Sam Bradford, a guy that's never won anything.

ToxSocks · 08-21-2017, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ptlyon

Yeah, well that's us. Not a real NFL team.

Silly. Alex might be worth more now than he was when the Chiefs traded for him.

cooper barrett · 08-21-2017, 04:56 PM

Alex11 is being coached to open up his game and take some chances. He has been applauded for a great training camp and he has looked good in pre-season.
If he is successful making changes to his game (as he is being coached to do) it could become a two edged sword.

On one side if he starts throwing "6 point" picks he will either be forced to go back to his "safety first" game or we will see Pat Mahomes either in 2nd halves or as a starter. This is not PMll forcing himself on Reid and staff.

On the other edge...and I want to stay positive and say that Alex11's going to be successful at opening things up and taking a few more risks. If he is successful throwing the long (er) ball and threading the needle, he may (should) put an extra 6-12 points on the board each game. That, my friends, is just what we need to be a SB contender, that is if (big if) the defense and special teams do an outstanding jobs all season too.

If he sheds his reputation of being too careful to win championships reputation and, lets say we were to win a "real" playoff game, he would certainly up his street value as he may find himself being traded or released. We all know the Chef's (oops) plan on dumping him off somehow as PMll matures and Alex11's trade or release would save major bucks toward salary cap in 2018. A performance like that would certainly add value as a aging QB when the media and odds makers are starting to doubt us even getting into the playoffs..some have come right out and said we aren't getting there.

From my arm chair: I would like to think that we will see out first "real" playoff win this year either with Alex11 or Mahome leading the offense at the end of the season. Alex11 will have to execute what the coaches want to see (I hope he does) in able to keep from seeing himself being pulled out at halftime or even watching PMll get the call as a rookie starter. Injury or not once Alex11 is out as starter, he isn't coming back. If this happens Alex11 may just be released as no one will be willing to take the cap hit and the Chief's will only get the cap dollars savings as they shed Alex11.

But as I have stated before the running, blocking, and receiving teams need to be up to the challenge for our offense to be Super Bowl contenders. We have to stop the other teams running, passing, and special teams play to get there.

My money is with Alex11 to give us our first real chance at a SB appearance this year verses the disappointments we have endured for too many years to count. If not, are we going to hear the "rebuilding" word soon.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-21-2017, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cooper barrett

If not, are we going to hear the "rebuilding" word soon.

Butt****ing moron

cooper barrett · 08-21-2017, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Butt****ing moron

Thanks for your thoughts on my comments but it is not necessary to tell me everything i need to know about you without at least a "hello"

One post closer to where I want to be....

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-21-2017, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cooper barrett

Thanks for your thoughts on my comments but it is not necessary to tell me everything i need to know about you without at least a "hello"

One post closer to where I want to be....

**** off, Mult

penbrook · 08-21-2017, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cooper barrett

Alex11 is being coached to open up his game and take some chances. He has been applauded for a great training camp and he has looked good in pre-season.
If he is successful making changes to his game (as he is being coached to do) it could become a two edged sword.

On one side if he starts throwing "6 point" picks he will either be forced to go back to his "safety first" game or we will see Pat Mahomes either in 2nd halves or as a starter. This is not PMll forcing himself on Reid and staff.

On the other edge...and I want to stay positive and say that Alex11's going to be successful at opening things up and taking a few more risks. If he is successful throwing the long (er) ball and threading the needle, he may (should) put an extra 6-12 points on the board each game. That, my friends, is just what we need to be a SB contender, that is if (big if) the defense and special teams do an outstanding jobs all season too.

If he sheds his reputation of being too careful to win championships reputation and, lets say we were to win a "real" playoff game, he would certainly up his street value as he may find himself being traded or released. We all know the Chef's (oops) plan on dumping him off somehow as PMll matures and Alex11's trade or release would save major bucks toward salary cap in 2018. A performance like that would certainly add value as a aging QB when the media and odds makers are starting to doubt us even getting into the playoffs..some have come right out and said we aren't getting there.

From my arm chair: I would like to think that we will see out first "real" playoff win this year either with Alex11 or Mahome leading the offense at the end of the season. Alex11 will have to execute what the coaches want to see (I hope he does) in able to keep from seeing himself being pulled out at halftime or even watching PMll get the call as a rookie starter. Injury or not once Alex11 is out as starter, he isn't coming back. If this happens Alex11 may just be released as no one will be willing to take the cap hit and the Chief's will only get the cap dollars savings as they shed Alex11.

But as I have stated before the running, blocking, and receiving teams need to be up to the challenge for our offense to be Super Bowl contenders. We have to stop the other teams running, passing, and special teams play to get there.

My money is with Alex11 to give us our first real chance at a SB appearance this year verses the disappointments we have endured for too many years to count. If not, are we going to hear the "rebuilding" word soon.

"Real" playoff game? I didn't know playoff games were fake if you didn't face a great team .

cooper barrett · 08-21-2017, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by penbrook

"Real" playoff game? I didn't know playoff games were fake if you didn't face a great team .

I and many others do not consider a "wildcard" game a "real" playoff game.

47 years since a divisional title.

last Divisional title January 16, 1994

Here is the Chiefs playoff record since they won a Super Bowl.

red = wild card

yellow = divisional

green = conference

Score Offense Defense Expected Points
Week Day Date OT Opp Tm
2016 Playoffs
Division Sun January 15, 2017 L

2015 Playoffs
WildCard Sat January 9, 2016 W

Division Sat January 16, 2016 L

2013 Playoffs
WildCard Sat January 4, 2014 L

2010 Playoffs
WildCard Sun January 9, 2011 L

2006 Playoffs
WildCard Sat January 6, 2007 L

2003 Playoffs
Division Sun January 11, 2004 L

1997 Playoffs
Division Sun January 4, 1998 L

1995 Playoffs
Division Sun January 7, 1996 L

1994 Playoffs
WildCard Sat December 31, 1994 L

1993 Playoffs
WildCard Sat January 8, 1994 W

OT
Division Sun January 16, 1994 W

Win vs.Oilers
ConfChamp Sun January 23, 1994 L

Loss 2 Bills
1992 Playoffs
WildCard Sat January 2, 1993 L

1991 Playoffs
WildCard Sat December 28, 1991 W

Division Sun January 5, 1992 L

1990 Playoffs
WildCard Sat January 5, 1991 L

1986 Playoffs
WildCard Sun December 28, 1986 L

1971 Playoffs
Division Sat December 25, 1971 L

[B]1969 Playoffs
Division Sat December 20, 1969 W yellow smile
ConfChamp Sun January 4, 1970 W Yeah
SuperBowl Sun January 11, 1970 W Yeah WOO HOO

**Easy 6** · 08-21-2017, 05:01 PM

I appreciate the time and effort you put into that post, cooper barrett... solid looking work from a noob

But in no way will we have to use the rebuild word anytime soon, we are the 6th youngest team in the NFL

penbrook · 08-21-2017, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

I appreciate the time and effort you put into that post, cooper barrett... solid looking work from a noob

But in no way will we have to use the rebuild word anytime soon, we are the 6th youngest team in the NFL

Literally Derrick Johnson is one of the oldest players. Other than that we have colquitt and Hali. Easily replaceable. Our WRs might be the youngest in the league same with our RBs. Berry is in his prime. Peters is young. Houston is in his prime. Parker is in his prime.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-21-2017, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

I appreciate the time and effort you put into that post, cooper barrett... solid looking work from a noob

But in no way will we have to use the rebuild word anytime soon, we are the 6th youngest team in the NFL

In 2018, they'll be even younger with the subtraction of Hali, DJ, Colquitt and Smith.

They'll probably rank from 2-4.

08-21-2017, 04:56 PM	#7
cooper barrett MVP Join Date: Aug 2017 Casino cash: $10000400	Alex11 is being coached to open up his game and take some chances. He has been applauded for a great training camp and he has looked good in pre-season. If he is successful making changes to his game (as he is being coached to do) it could become a two edged sword. On one side if he starts throwing "6 point" picks he will either be forced to go back to his "safety first" game or we will see Pat Mahomes either in 2nd halves or as a starter. This is not PMll forcing himself on Reid and staff. On the other edge...and I want to stay positive and say that Alex11's going to be successful at opening things up and taking a few more risks. If he is successful throwing the long (er) ball and threading the needle, he may (should) put an extra 6-12 points on the board each game. That, my friends, is just what we need to be a SB contender, that is if (big if) the defense and special teams do an outstanding jobs all season too. If he sheds his reputation of being too careful to win championships reputation and, lets say we were to win a "real" playoff game, he would certainly up his street value as he may find himself being traded or released. We all know the Chef's (oops) plan on dumping him off somehow as PMll matures and Alex11's trade or release would save major bucks toward salary cap in 2018. A performance like that would certainly add value as a aging QB when the media and odds makers are starting to doubt us even getting into the playoffs..some have come right out and said we aren't getting there. From my arm chair: I would like to think that we will see out first "real" playoff win this year either with Alex11 or Mahome leading the offense at the end of the season. Alex11 will have to execute what the coaches want to see (I hope he does) in able to keep from seeing himself being pulled out at halftime or even watching PMll get the call as a rookie starter. Injury or not once Alex11 is out as starter, he isn't coming back. If this happens Alex11 may just be released as no one will be willing to take the cap hit and the Chief's will only get the cap dollars savings as they shed Alex11. But as I have stated before the running, blocking, and receiving teams need to be up to the challenge for our offense to be Super Bowl contenders. We have to stop the other teams running, passing, and special teams play to get there. My money is with Alex11 to give us our first real chance at a SB appearance this year verses the disappointments we have endured for too many years to count. If not, are we going to hear the "rebuilding" word soon.
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Easy 6 pie is never free Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: the drivers seat Casino cash: $-212225	I appreciate the time and effort you put into that post, cooper barrett... solid looking work from a noob But in no way will we have to use the rebuild word anytime soon, we are the 6th youngest team in the NFL
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