Chiefs This loss shows deeper problems than a few players - Page 4

Chief Roundup · 11-19-2017, 05:45 PM

The way that we lost this game speaks to more than just a couple of players or plays.
This loss speaks to problems deep within. I think we have severe problems within our coaching staff if not further up than that.
We are spiraling down and it appears to be untenable to the staff we have in place even with the help of a bye week.
I have always been a Reid fan, but a lot of the problems he had in Philly have followed him to KC. His play calling, inadequate game prep, stubbornness, strategy, clock management. His inability to make coaching changes and bring his family in and unwillingness to move on from them when they are obviously not working are problems that we all now face as well. There is a lot of parallels between our staff here and the ones he had in Philly.
If we are to change our losing ways some of this staff is going to have to be replaced. Where do start? Who are the coaches/assistants that need to be replaced? Even now instead of waiting until the off season.

Andy Reid
Head Coach

Brad Childress
Assistant Head Coach

Matt Nagy
Offensive Coordinator

Eric Bieniemy
Running Backs

Andy Heck
Offensive Line

Corey Matthaei
Assistant Quarterbacks (QBs & OL)

Tom Melvin
Tight Ends

Greg Lewis
Wide Receivers

Joe Bleymaier
Offensive Quality Control

Mike Kafka
Offensive Quality Control

Bob Sutton
Defensive Coordinator

Terry Bradden
Defensive Assistant

Mark DeLeone
Assistant Linebackers (Defense)

Gary Gibbs
Linebackers

Al Harris
Secondary/Cornerbacks

Britt Reid
Defensive Line

Mike Smith
Assistant Defensive Line

Emmitt Thomas
Defensive Backs

Dave Toub
Special Teams Coordinator

Rod Wilson
Assistant Special Teams

Tommy Brasher
Special Projects

Rick Burkholder
Head Athletic Trainer

Barry Rubin
Strength and Conditioning

Travis Crittenden
Strength & Conditioning Assistant

Devin Woodhouse
Strength & Conditioning Assistant

Ryan Reynolds
Sports Science/Conditioning

Mike Frazier
Statistical Analysis Coordinator

**HemiEd** · 11-19-2017, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by nkd

This actually might be a blessing in disquise for chiefs. They are still on top, still have a easy schedule and this will wake the coaching staff and players up a little.

The Dallas game didn't do it? The Pittsburg game didn't do it? The Raider game didn't do it?

This team is broke, they are not a team.

siberian khatru · 11-19-2017, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Honestly the biggest thing that bothers me is how soft the team is and has been since Reid's arrival. Even when the defense is playing well, it's more finesse than violence. The offense can never get the one tough yard on the ground, or put together that long grinding drive that eats the clock and seals the win.

There's no passion unless it's Peters or Kelce crying to the refs. This team is soft as ****.

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I thought they had turned the corner in that regard earlier in the season. Philly and Washington punched them in the mouth, and they were able to right themselves and grind out wins. But since 5-0, they've reverted to their bad past.

Gary · 11-19-2017, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Honestly the biggest thing that bothers me is how soft the team is and has been since Reid's arrival. Even when the defense is playing well, it's more finesse than violence. The offense can never get the one tough yard on the ground, or put together that long grinding drive that eats the clock and seals the win.

There's no passion unless it's Peters or Kelce crying to the refs. This team is soft as ****.

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100% agree. They have no leadership. With Eric Berry out (who is an AMAZING competitor), No one has stepped up to lead and drive everyone to play better and more disciplined as well.

Chiefshrink · 11-19-2017, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

All teams lack talent in places. Yet they are able to out perform what we have been able to put out there. Coaches, good coaches find ways to mask those deficiencies. Something that we have not been able to do very well especially over the last 5 weeks.

The coaches can’t play the game for the players. You and I will disagree as to whether this team has too much chicken manure to turn into chicken salad. You’re saying it’s the coaches fault they can’t make more chicken salad and I’m saying there’s too much chicken manure to do that.

**MahiMike** · 11-19-2017, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Where I would start:

Brad Childress
Assistant Head Coach

Andy Heck
Offensive Line

Bob Sutton
Defensive Coordinator

Britt Reid
Defensive Line

Barry Rubin
Strength and Conditioning

I definitely agree with the strength and condition coach. WTH is up with all the Achilles injuries?

scho63 · 11-19-2017, 08:58 PM

Andy Reid is a stubborn bastard with horrible play calling and Alex Smith has regressed to the twin of Matt Cassel

**TimBone** · 11-19-2017, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by nkd

You are showing a couple of plays. Thats only one side of the truth. Both teams had issue with balls going to the ground. It was windy and he was throwing against his body. On the second gif you posted Alex was under pressure. The receiver is frickin turned the wrong way. He should be turning towards the middle of the field, meaning cut inside, he is in a awkward position. He had is guy beat all he had to do was run up straight and not towards the outside. why is he looking for the ball in that position. It was an easy throw had he cut inside when he had his guy beat because there was no safety either. I was scratching my head why he kept running to outside. However I do knock on Alex for the interception in the 4th quarter on his overthrow. Its not just Alex, they are playing bad as a unit. The offense line and run game is total trash now. I see guys with no dude to block. That's where it comes down to coaching, Andy has never been a guy who adjusts well to difficult situations. You come of having a week off and lose to the giants, something is clearly wrong with the team. Alex, coaches, the run game and the o-line and wide receivers all have to improve. You can be open but you still have to be in the right position. Like don't keep running to the outside when you have your guy beat, cut back in to increase your chances of completing that throw.

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Originally Posted by nkd

I think was looking for ball right away. Would you rather have your QB throw to outside when there is no one in the backfield of towards the inside where its guaranteed touchdown? The throw inside is always easier to make then outside. Now we both don't know if he was actually running that route or he just got two excited when he got open.

cooper barrett · 11-19-2017, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

I said it back then, when you have one of your "stars" above the lowly task of tackling, it will cave the effort and moral of the whole team. They don't have to give it all.

When Tyreek Hill says in an interview that the team isn't totally focused (or something similar to that) then you have a problem

Code for went out drinking with hookers last night.

KCCHIEFS27 · 11-19-2017, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GloucesterChief

Keep Toub. Everybody else can go. That goes double for the D coaches.

No, no, and hell no. Toub needs to go. His special teams are worthless. Too many penalties and dumb mistakes. I'm tired of seeing his KO Return team routinely run the ball 10-12 yards then getting stopped before the 25 yard line.

WhiteWhale · 11-19-2017, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Trivers

is there anyone with a FB coaching background that that explain what other teams are doing and what we are doing different between our 5-0 start and our current 1-4 slump?

KC played the steelers and exposed how to defend KC's offense. Here's what you do:

Shut down the running game and their gimmick college shit, and ask Alex to drop back, read a defense, and throw the ball.

Regardless of who you blame, the OL, Alex, WR injuries, or whatever else, that's what KC simply can't do well.

I don't have a coaching background, but I don't think I need one here.

**TimBone** · 11-19-2017, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

KC played the steelers and exposed how to defend KC's offense. Here's what you do:

Shut down the running game and their gimmick college shit, and ask Alex to drop back, read a defense, and throw the ball.

Regardless of who you blame, the OL, Alex, WR injuries, or whatever else, that's what KC simply can't do well.

I don't have a coaching background, but I don't think I need one here.

I agree. Teams are keying in on stopping the run. Their forcing Alex to beat then with a traditional passing game, and he can't do it.

Hoover · 11-19-2017, 10:58 PM

While the last month or so of football has sucked, in the end I think its good for the Chiefs.

1. Its easier to move on from Smith to Mahomes now.
2. Better to hit your grove and be healthy headed into the playoffs not week 10 or whatever it is.
3. We still lead the division by two games, which is amazing.
4. We lack quality depth at some key positions (OLB, RB)
5. Hey nobody is going to be stealling any of our coaching staff now!

scho63 · 11-20-2017, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Why Not?

That's the issue with these true fans. Chiefs will win the awful division, lose in typical fashion in the playoffs and then true fans will say "they made the playoffs, that's a good season"

Us long time fans of 40-50 years have lowered the bar so far for this organization that making the playoffs and winning a single game or finally drafting a QB in 1st RD after 27 years feels like a Super Bowl to us.

So sad........

jspchief · 11-20-2017, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoover

4. We lack quality depth at some key positions (OLB, RB)

We lack quality starters at those positions. Forget depth.

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crayzkirk · 11-20-2017, 09:52 AM

Good enough for who it's for. People want to get drunk, act like idiots, get into fights, etc. The last time I went to a Chiefs game, I thought I was at a wrestling match.

The fans accept the winning regular season and perpetual mediocrity that comes with ownership hiring fired coaches and benched quarterbacks.

I don't blame Kelce, he got targetted and concussed earlier in the season. There is more to life than football. Good quarterbacks don't throw their players into big collisions.

It's a job to these players, sports have changed because of the huge amounts of money. As long as the stadium is full of fans paying $45 to park and can get as drunk as they want without fear of being pulled over on the way home, this is what I think we will get.

11-19-2017, 05:45 PM
Chief Roundup Admitted Planet Junky Join Date: Oct 2000 Casino cash: $-1538373	This loss shows deeper problems than a few players The way that we lost this game speaks to more than just a couple of players or plays. This loss speaks to problems deep within. I think we have severe problems within our coaching staff if not further up than that. We are spiraling down and it appears to be untenable to the staff we have in place even with the help of a bye week. I have always been a Reid fan, but a lot of the problems he had in Philly have followed him to KC. His play calling, inadequate game prep, stubbornness, strategy, clock management. His inability to make coaching changes and bring his family in and unwillingness to move on from them when they are obviously not working are problems that we all now face as well. There is a lot of parallels between our staff here and the ones he had in Philly. If we are to change our losing ways some of this staff is going to have to be replaced. Where do start? Who are the coaches/assistants that need to be replaced? Even now instead of waiting until the off season. Andy Reid Head Coach Brad Childress Assistant Head Coach Matt Nagy Offensive Coordinator Eric Bieniemy Running Backs Andy Heck Offensive Line Corey Matthaei Assistant Quarterbacks (QBs & OL) Tom Melvin Tight Ends Greg Lewis Wide Receivers Joe Bleymaier Offensive Quality Control Mike Kafka Offensive Quality Control Bob Sutton Defensive Coordinator Terry Bradden Defensive Assistant Mark DeLeone Assistant Linebackers (Defense) Gary Gibbs Linebackers Al Harris Secondary/Cornerbacks Britt Reid Defensive Line Mike Smith Assistant Defensive Line Emmitt Thomas Defensive Backs Dave Toub Special Teams Coordinator Rod Wilson Assistant Special Teams Tommy Brasher Special Projects Rick Burkholder Head Athletic Trainer Barry Rubin Strength and Conditioning Travis Crittenden Strength & Conditioning Assistant Devin Woodhouse Strength & Conditioning Assistant Ryan Reynolds Sports Science/Conditioning Mike Frazier Statistical Analysis Coordinator
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11-19-2017, 10:58 PM	#57
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-2101821	While the last month or so of football has sucked, in the end I think its good for the Chiefs. 1. Its easier to move on from Smith to Mahomes now. 2. Better to hit your grove and be healthy headed into the playoffs not week 10 or whatever it is. 3. We still lead the division by two games, which is amazing. 4. We lack quality depth at some key positions (OLB, RB) 5. Hey nobody is going to be stealling any of our coaching staff now!
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11-20-2017, 09:52 AM	#60
crayzkirk MVP Join Date: Nov 2016 Casino cash: $890000	Good enough for who it's for. People want to get drunk, act like idiots, get into fights, etc. The last time I went to a Chiefs game, I thought I was at a wrestling match. The fans accept the winning regular season and perpetual mediocrity that comes with ownership hiring fired coaches and benched quarterbacks. I don't blame Kelce, he got targetted and concussed earlier in the season. There is more to life than football. Good quarterbacks don't throw their players into big collisions. It's a job to these players, sports have changed because of the huge amounts of money. As long as the stadium is full of fans paying $45 to park and can get as drunk as they want without fear of being pulled over on the way home, this is what I think we will get.
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