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**Rain Man** · 11-22-2017, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

Still cannot believe not one media outlet, sports or otherwise, had anything to say about Bennett being outed as a straight up liar when the Las Vegas video footage was released

He even got a glowing, softball laden pre-game interview with Michelle Tafoya after the fact... that guy and his brother can both eat shit

What happened in Las Vegas?

**BigRichard** · 11-22-2017, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

What happened in Las Vegas?

http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/09...ay-weekend.cnn

**Easy 6** · 11-22-2017, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

What happened in Las Vegas?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...w-my-f-n799276

LVPD went on to release multiple bodycam, and casino camera footage that shows none of what Bennett said happened was true... he was only trying to be some kind of SJW martyr

ForeverChiefs58 · 11-22-2017, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

What happened in Las Vegas?

https://youtu.be/jgp2qjfUwWM

**Rain Man** · 11-22-2017, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by oldman

Previous to 2009, it was uncommon to have the players on the field during the national anthem. It seems to me the sane thing is to revert to that practice. No kneeling, no riding a bike, no teary-eyed white guy, no problem.

Yeah, I really don't care about football players' interests off the field, whether it's political or recreational or anything else. I just want to watch them play football.

Maybe this stuff is the first step toward replacing players with robots, now that I think about it.

ForeverChiefs58 · 11-22-2017, 12:51 PM

So based on the BS lie that he was profiled by a black cop and threatened because of his race, he now says he will do black panthers, black power every time he sacks a white QB

Dayze · 11-22-2017, 01:19 PM

215 posts in 2+ years.

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**srvy** · 11-22-2017, 04:38 PM

Can we reinstate Bob Dole as mod for mult management?

ForeverChiefs58 · 11-22-2017, 04:55 PM

Interestingly, years ago basketball, which is made up of mostly black players, had a player that was a Muslim, and refused to stand for the anthem. It made fans buying tickets upset.

The very next off season they made it a rule that all basketball players must stand.
Boom problem solved.

ForeverChiefs58 · 11-22-2017, 05:03 PM

Here's a fascinating fact: The national anthem was played at baseball games decades before it was actually the national anthem. There are records of "The Star Spangled Banner" gracing the diamond going back as far as 1897, but the song wasn't adopted as the national anthem until 1931.

Over time, a mix of technology, war, and keeping up appearances kept the song in the sports spotlight. Its first big moment reportedly came in 1918 during the 7th-inning stretch of the World Series.

It's no coincidence that its first surge in popularity came during wartime. Nationalism stoked by World War I meant that people were more affected by the song, and the fact that major league baseball players were being actively drafted meant those who weren't drafted benefited from showing their patriotism. Over time, other sports began adopting the practice.

Historian Marc Ferris wrote a history of the national anthem in which he points out that, at first, the anthem didn't exactly come free.

"The thing is, you had to hire a band," he told NPR in 2016. "That was expensive, so it was only for special occasions," like opening day.

Ferris says that after World War II, sound systems allowed teams and parks to play the anthem sans band. That's when the practice became particularly widespread, because the new tech coincided with a huge swell in patriotism.

After World War II, the commissioner of the NFL at the time, Elmer Layden, made a specific plea to keep the anthem as a game-day tradition.

"The playing of the national anthem should be as much a part of every game as the kickoff," he said. "We must not drop it simply because the war is over. We should never forget what it stands for."

... and NFL players definitely didn't always stand on the sidelines for it.

While the anthem continued to be a game-day fixture, NFL players typically stayed in the locker room for it.

There were exceptions, of course -- players observed the anthem after 9/11, and during Super Bowl games. But it wasn't until 2009 that players were mandated to be on the field for the song.

The US Code says you should stand for the anthem

Section 301 of the United States Code says that during a rendition of the national anthem, people "should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart" (except for uniformed military personnel, who should stand and salute for the length of the song). If you're wearing a hat you're supposed to take it off.

If no flag is on display, people are supposed to face towards the source of the music and behave in the same manner.

There's a separate US Code section for how to respect the flag, implying that the anthem and flag, while often presented together, are different patriotic entities.

Oddly enough, the US flag code doesn't mention the anthem at all. It does mention the Pledge of Allegiance, which "should be rendered by standing at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart."

but there's no such rule in the NFL rule book

In the "2017 Official Playing Rules of the National Football League," there are no specific directives for what players should do during the national anthem. In fact, neither the anthem nor the flag are ever mentioned.

But what about personal protest? The rule book does touch upon that, but not in any way that could be seen as specific to kneeling during the anthem.

Under Article 8, Section 4, titled "Equipment, Uniforms and Player Appearance," it says:

Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office.

In fact, in 2016 the NFL made clear that players were not required to stand for the anthem.

"Players are encouraged but not required to stand during the playing of the national anthem," the NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy said last year after 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick's protests gained attention.

For those who wonder if Kaepernick's controversial "pig cop" socks ran afoul of the NFL rule outlined above, they didn't -- he wore those during practices, not on game days.

There was money behind some of the NFL's past patriotism

In 2015, a Senate report released by Senators John McCain and Jeff Flake poured cold water on some of the more heartwarming moments of patriotism seen in professional sports.

The report found the Department of Defense had spent $6.8 million on what they called "paid patriotism" between 2012 and 2015. This money was spread out among 50 pro teams from the NFL, NBA, MLB, NASCAR, MLS and others.

In exchange for the money, teams organized displays of national pride including flag presentations, the honoring of military members, reenlistment ceremonies, and even the most unassailable and uplifting of patriotic moments: surprise military homecomings. To be clear, plenty of teams also do, and have done, such things with no compensation.

But the connection between "paid patriotism" and players being mandated to be present for the anthem is tenuous. The report does mention several instances where teams were paid for anthem performances, but that was about the specific artist or presentation. There is nothing in the report to suggest teams were paid or coerced into pulling players on to the field as part of "paid patriotism" initiatives.

In fact, Pentagon spokesman Army Major Dave Eastburn recently clarified the Defense Department's current relationship with professional sports.

"DoD does not require or request that athletes be on the field during the playing of the national anthem when military members are part of the patriotic opener," he said in a statement to CNN.

"Community relations participation, such as flyovers, color guards, and military band support, are unpaid activities. DoD does not pay outside parties to host such community outreach activities."

ForeverChiefs58 · 11-22-2017, 06:08 PM

Both directly and indirectly, we the taxpayers are paying both these billionaire owners and the rest of this disrespectful, unpatriotic organization, including Roger Goodell.

The funds flow primarily via mammoth subsidies for NFL stadiums. The Super Bowl will be played this year in the Minnesota Viking's US Bank Stadium, which cost taxpayers there over $500 million despite the reported $5.3 billion wealth of team owner Zygi Wilf.

Adding to that insult, Minnesota government officials who approved that deal received free tickets and food to all future games there.

Minnesota's massive misuse of hard-earned taxpayer capital is hardly unique. Las Vegas just promised its $500 million subsidy to lure the Oakland Raiders to move.

The San Francisco 49ers' new stadium in Santa Clara fleeced taxpayers there for $621 million. All told, according to Watchdog.org, the billionaire club of NFL owners and, by extension, Roger Goodell has expropriated $7 billion since 2000 on taxpayers subsidies for stadiums.

In addition, because funding bonds are typically issued as municipal projects, they evade federal taxation, costing the federal Treasury $3.2 billion during the same period.

https://apple.news/AyVYM9FepRCCjmFwEyoG29A

BWillie · 11-22-2017, 08:06 PM

I don't care if they stand or sit, I'm just sick of hearing about it. Having them stay in the locker room sounds like music to my ears. I'm sooooo tired of hearing about TMZ stuff and political stuff infused with sports. Sports are my release from all of that shit, or used to be.

ForeverChiefs58 · 11-22-2017, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

I don't care if they stand or sit, I'm just sick of hearing about it. Having them stay in the locker room sounds like music to my ears. I'm sooooo tired of hearing about TMZ stuff and political stuff infused with sports. Sports are my release from all of that shit, or used to be.

There are a hand full of players who want to make all of November social justice warrior month. So they can try to cram down ignorant sports fans throats their feelings on how cops mistreat blacks and how so many blacks get put in prison etc.

I already was tired of Bob Costas trying to tell me how bad guns are

If they get their way, the nfl will be about as relevant as women’s basketball

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11-22-2017, 04:55 PM	#9
ForeverChiefs58 MVP Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $645326	Interestingly, years ago basketball, which is made up of mostly black players, had a player that was a Muslim, and refused to stand for the anthem. It made fans buying tickets upset. The very next off season they made it a rule that all basketball players must stand. Boom problem solved.
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11-22-2017, 05:03 PM	#10
ForeverChiefs58 MVP Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $645326	Here's a fascinating fact: The national anthem was played at baseball games decades before it was actually the national anthem. There are records of "The Star Spangled Banner" gracing the diamond going back as far as 1897, but the song wasn't adopted as the national anthem until 1931. Over time, a mix of technology, war, and keeping up appearances kept the song in the sports spotlight. Its first big moment reportedly came in 1918 during the 7th-inning stretch of the World Series. It's no coincidence that its first surge in popularity came during wartime. Nationalism stoked by World War I meant that people were more affected by the song, and the fact that major league baseball players were being actively drafted meant those who weren't drafted benefited from showing their patriotism. Over time, other sports began adopting the practice. Historian Marc Ferris wrote a history of the national anthem in which he points out that, at first, the anthem didn't exactly come free. "The thing is, you had to hire a band," he told NPR in 2016. "That was expensive, so it was only for special occasions," like opening day. Ferris says that after World War II, sound systems allowed teams and parks to play the anthem sans band. That's when the practice became particularly widespread, because the new tech coincided with a huge swell in patriotism. After World War II, the commissioner of the NFL at the time, Elmer Layden, made a specific plea to keep the anthem as a game-day tradition. "The playing of the national anthem should be as much a part of every game as the kickoff," he said. "We must not drop it simply because the war is over. We should never forget what it stands for." ... and NFL players definitely didn't always stand on the sidelines for it. While the anthem continued to be a game-day fixture, NFL players typically stayed in the locker room for it. There were exceptions, of course -- players observed the anthem after 9/11, and during Super Bowl games. But it wasn't until 2009 that players were mandated to be on the field for the song. The US Code says you should stand for the anthem Section 301 of the United States Code says that during a rendition of the national anthem, people "should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart" (except for uniformed military personnel, who should stand and salute for the length of the song). If you're wearing a hat you're supposed to take it off. If no flag is on display, people are supposed to face towards the source of the music and behave in the same manner. There's a separate US Code section for how to respect the flag, implying that the anthem and flag, while often presented together, are different patriotic entities. Oddly enough, the US flag code doesn't mention the anthem at all. It does mention the Pledge of Allegiance, which "should be rendered by standing at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart." but there's no such rule in the NFL rule book In the "2017 Official Playing Rules of the National Football League," there are no specific directives for what players should do during the national anthem. In fact, neither the anthem nor the flag are ever mentioned. But what about personal protest? The rule book does touch upon that, but not in any way that could be seen as specific to kneeling during the anthem. Under Article 8, Section 4, titled "Equipment, Uniforms and Player Appearance," it says: Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. In fact, in 2016 the NFL made clear that players were not required to stand for the anthem. "Players are encouraged but not required to stand during the playing of the national anthem," the NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy said last year after 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick's protests gained attention. For those who wonder if Kaepernick's controversial "pig cop" socks ran afoul of the NFL rule outlined above, they didn't -- he wore those during practices, not on game days. There was money behind some of the NFL's past patriotism In 2015, a Senate report released by Senators John McCain and Jeff Flake poured cold water on some of the more heartwarming moments of patriotism seen in professional sports. The report found the Department of Defense had spent $6.8 million on what they called "paid patriotism" between 2012 and 2015. This money was spread out among 50 pro teams from the NFL, NBA, MLB, NASCAR, MLS and others. In exchange for the money, teams organized displays of national pride including flag presentations, the honoring of military members, reenlistment ceremonies, and even the most unassailable and uplifting of patriotic moments: surprise military homecomings. To be clear, plenty of teams also do, and have done, such things with no compensation. But the connection between "paid patriotism" and players being mandated to be present for the anthem is tenuous. The report does mention several instances where teams were paid for anthem performances, but that was about the specific artist or presentation. There is nothing in the report to suggest teams were paid or coerced into pulling players on to the field as part of "paid patriotism" initiatives. In fact, Pentagon spokesman Army Major Dave Eastburn recently clarified the Defense Department's current relationship with professional sports. "DoD does not require or request that athletes be on the field during the playing of the national anthem when military members are part of the patriotic opener," he said in a statement to CNN. "Community relations participation, such as flyovers, color guards, and military band support, are unpaid activities. DoD does not pay outside parties to host such community outreach activities."
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11-22-2017, 06:08 PM	#11
ForeverChiefs58 MVP Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $645326	Both directly and indirectly, we the taxpayers are paying both these billionaire owners and the rest of this disrespectful, unpatriotic organization, including Roger Goodell. The funds flow primarily via mammoth subsidies for NFL stadiums. The Super Bowl will be played this year in the Minnesota Viking's US Bank Stadium, which cost taxpayers there over $500 million despite the reported $5.3 billion wealth of team owner Zygi Wilf. Adding to that insult, Minnesota government officials who approved that deal received free tickets and food to all future games there. Minnesota's massive misuse of hard-earned taxpayer capital is hardly unique. Las Vegas just promised its $500 million subsidy to lure the Oakland Raiders to move. The San Francisco 49ers' new stadium in Santa Clara fleeced taxpayers there for $621 million. All told, according to Watchdog.org, the billionaire club of NFL owners and, by extension, Roger Goodell has expropriated $7 billion since 2000 on taxpayers subsidies for stadiums. In addition, because funding bonds are typically issued as municipal projects, they evade federal taxation, costing the federal Treasury $3.2 billion during the same period. https://apple.news/AyVYM9FepRCCjmFwEyoG29A
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BWillie Are you ready to Rumble? Join Date: Apr 2006 Casino cash: $-1478759	I don't care if they stand or sit, I'm just sick of hearing about it. Having them stay in the locker room sounds like music to my ears. I'm sooooo tired of hearing about TMZ stuff and political stuff infused with sports. Sports are my release from all of that shit, or used to be.
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