Chiefs Colin Cowherd settles the QB debate - Page 4

pugsnotdrugs19 · 01-15-2018, 12:24 PM

I want everyone to take 5 minutes to watch this video. Colin Cowherd is a pretty bright dude when it comes to sports, especially football. Here in this video today, he explains what separates guys like Tom Brady, Drew Brees, and Ben Roethlisberger from guys like Matt Ryan and Alex Smith specifically. As Chiefs fans, it hits every chord.

Titty Meat · 01-15-2018, 02:15 PM

2012 called they want their debate back

**notorious** · 01-15-2018, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

This is very true. I also think Mahomes is going to be a great deodorant for Reid. His talent should cover up Reid's shortfalls IMO a lot like McNabb did for a while except Mahomes is way more gifted than McNabb.

Yep, you need that QB that will audible to a run when Reid gets pass happy. You need a QB that will audible to the kill shot when he see's a weakness in the defensive alignment even if we are up by 17 points.

O.city · 01-15-2018, 02:20 PM

Having qbs I’m cheap deals allow you to load the team around them. Unless said qb is a star once he gets paid it’s tougher to win.

I also think the low end qbs are better now than in the past

hitchief · 01-15-2018, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

A lot of it is coaching. Vikings needed a fluke to win their game yesterday. Shannahan wouldn’t run the ball. Seahawks wouldn’t give it to Marshawn at the 1.

It blows my mind how stupid a lot of HC’s are.

Agree completely.

On so many levels they have an impact on how well or bad a team can be.

The good coach's know what the strengths and weaknesses of not only their team but also the opponents. They then coach and come up with game plans based on the same.

Bad coach's just throw out the same scheme not matter who the have or who they are playing cause that's all they know and for whatever reason, they cannot change = Andy.

Otter · 01-15-2018, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Vagina

While I do agree with this...

I still agree with this.

This isn't some revelation. Alex Smith is a good, solid starting QB.

He's not a rare QB that can carry a team with minimal run support, critical dropped passes, and a defense that can't get much needed stops.

This is not news.

The problem has always been a pack of fans that look to a flawless QB savior... instead of looking at the areas of the team that are not doing their job.

run support... no? **** the QB!
defensive stops? no? **** the QB!
injured high-priced players not on the field to do the job expected? no? **** the QB!
dropped passes that would have led to conversions.. and likely points? no? **** the QB!

Thank Jeebus there will soon be a QB that everyone here adores... cuz then you can finally stop saying **** the QB! and actually blame the areas not doing their job.

Alex is a victim of a team that spent way too much time bringing in backups from other teams as starters. Anyone who watches him play knows he's a decent QB that's just too conservative to carry a team.

He's a middle of the pack guy.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 01-15-2018, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Having qbs I’m cheap deals allow you to load the team around them. Unless said qb is a star once he gets paid it’s tougher to win.

I also think the low end qbs are better now than in the past

This is why I'm hoping over the next 3 years we can be aggressive in FA. At least when it is really necessary.

This year may not be the season to go all in because the FA class isn't great, but maybe next year will be the time. Chiefs currently set to have $83M in cap space in 2019, so the cap situation clears up big time in a hurry.

hitchief · 01-15-2018, 02:26 PM

Yeah, Cowherd is correct that there is a difference between the top 5 elite and then the next 5-10 qb's but then we all freaking knew that already. That's not rocket science but what he doesn't get is that you having a top 5 elite qb is not a guarantee a SB victory.

Its really hard to get one of those guys and sometimes teams luck into them but a team can win with the next group of qb's as long as the team around them and the coaching is great.

And if he's so freaking correct shouldn't it be Brady vs Rodgers every year? or Brees?

Whats his explanation for them only having 1 SB victory each? Oh, don't tell me its a team thing??????

BlackHelicopters · 01-15-2018, 02:29 PM

Cowherd is a bundle of sticks who needs to be smeared with honey, placed in a cage and set in a Georgia pasture in July.

rico · 01-15-2018, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by hitchief

Yeah, Cowherd is correct that there is a difference between the top 5 elite and then the next 5-10 qb's but then we all freaking knew that already. That's not rocket science but what he doesn't get is that you having a top 5 elite qb is not a guarantee a SB victory.

Its really hard to get one of those guys and sometimes teams luck into them but a team can win with the next group of qb's as long as the team around them and the coaching is great.

And if he's so freaking correct shouldn't it be Brady vs Rodgers every year? or Brees?

Whats his explanation for them only having 1 SB victory each? Oh, don't tell me its a team thing??????

Only one SB?!?

Most QB's don't lead their teams to SB victories in their entire career, numb-nuts. Let's not act like carrying a team to only one SB is some sort of "knock."

hitchief · 01-15-2018, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Otter

Alex is a victim of a team that spent way too much time bringing in backups from other teams as starters. Anyone who watches him play knows he's a decent QB that's just too conservative to carry a team.

He's a middle of the pack guy.

So why the best qb rating in the NFL this year? Doesn't sound like middle of the pack to me but to each his own.

BlackOp · 01-15-2018, 02:34 PM

Smith knows he's not a "natural" QB...and has shown humility in admitting so. He is what he is...and after 5 years, is hopefully doing it somewhere else.

I like him...and was rooting for him to have a redemption post-season. Didn't happen and Mahomes drove the team down for a winning FG in his first NFL game.

Time to move on..

pugsnotdrugs19 · 01-15-2018, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by hitchief

Yeah, Cowherd is correct that there is a difference between the top 5 elite and then the next 5-10 qb's but then we all freaking knew that already. That's not rocket science but what he doesn't get is that you having a top 5 elite qb is not a guarantee a SB victory.

Its really hard to get one of those guys and sometimes teams luck into them but a team can win with the next group of qb's as long as the team around them and the coaching is great.

And if he's so freaking correct shouldn't it be Brady vs Rodgers every year? or Brees?

Whats his explanation for them only having 1 SB victory each? Oh, don't tell me its a team thing??????

You just said it all right there. "... a team can win with the next group of qb's as long as the team around them and the coaching is great."

Just what the Chiefs have been trying to replicate for 25 years. It ain't easy. It's the hard way, if we're being objective.

This is why Mahomes was always QB1 in my mind. He was the only guy with a shot to reach that elite ceiling IMO this year. I know I wasn't alone in that camp. And sure, he's far from establishing himself as that guy as he has only played in one game, but the traits you look for, the traits we see in those blue chip QBs... he has them all.

It remains to be seen if he will reach his ceiling but the point is that finally the Chiefs are trying to do this thing the right way. If this thing works out, having an amazing surrounding cast all of the sudden becomes much less significant. Maybe you just need a good defense, not a great one. Maybe you just need a good coach, not a great one.

hitchief · 01-15-2018, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rico

Only one SB?!?

Most QB's don't lead their teams to SB victories in their entire career, numb-nuts. Let's not act like carrying a team to only one SB is some sort of "knock."

WTF, are you a freaking idiot or what?

Its what Cowherd is saying correct, you need an elite qb to win. Its all I ever read in here is how we cant win cause Alex is not elite enough. So be it, but the qb's listed as elite (with the exception of Brady and Ben) have a very very hard time winning them, so what gives you dumbass.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 01-15-2018, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by hitchief

WTF, are you a freaking idiot or what?

Its what Cowherd is saying correct, you need an elite qb to win. Its all I ever read in here is how we cant win cause Alex is not elite enough. So be it, but the qb's listed as elite (with the exception of Brady and Ben) have a very very hard time winning them, so what gives you dumbass.

Did you even watch the video? Cowherd did not say you had to have an elite QB to win the SB.

DRM08 · 01-15-2018, 02:39 PM

Feel bad for Brees. He played lights out with the game on the line and led his team for two drives that took the lead very late in 4th quarter. Sean Payton is no Belichick, that’s for sure.

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hitchief Starter Join Date: Apr 2013 Casino cash: $10005314	Yeah, Cowherd is correct that there is a difference between the top 5 elite and then the next 5-10 qb's but then we all freaking knew that already. That's not rocket science but what he doesn't get is that you having a top 5 elite qb is not a guarantee a SB victory. Its really hard to get one of those guys and sometimes teams luck into them but a team can win with the next group of qb's as long as the team around them and the coaching is great. And if he's so freaking correct shouldn't it be Brady vs Rodgers every year? or Brees? Whats his explanation for them only having 1 SB victory each? Oh, don't tell me its a team thing??????
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DRM08 MVP Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Texas Casino cash: $2130400	Feel bad for Brees. He played lights out with the game on the line and led his team for two drives that took the lead very late in 4th quarter. Sean Payton is no Belichick, that’s for sure.
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