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Old 09-16-2018, 02:31 PM  
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**** BOB SUTTON
That's it.
You got major upgrades in the front seven. The corners were not the problem today. Guys running free underneath all ****ing day. NO PASS RUSH, rushing two and three guys and Steeler receivers STILL RUNNING FREE UNDERNEATH. Everytime we blitzed, we rushed the throw. Everytime we didn't, Roethlisberger had all ****ing day. No excuse to rush two and three against a HOF QB.

You got younger, and faster. It's not all on the players. It's the scheme. It leaves the defense on the field until they're gassed and give up the big play.

If the scheme is too complicated for your secondary to run, then CHANGE THE SCHEME.

You have an offense that can score at will. Play aggressive and make them match you big play for big play. blitz, pressure, force them to make a big play or a mistake. Sitting back in loose zones all day is NOT WORKING.

**** Sutton.
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Old 09-16-2018, 02:49 PM   #46
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2nd half was much better. I’ll deal with getting shredded as long as they’re aggressive.

Just can’t watch them sit there and rush 3 and get picked apart.
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Old 09-16-2018, 02:49 PM   #47
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This is exactly what I mean-and really, it's 3 and sometimes TWO ****ing rushing a lot of the time. It's ****ing stupid. You're rushing two and three guys against HOF level QB's? WHAT THE ****
You know what HOF level QB's do to blitzes?

It's like people don't actually watch football.
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Old 09-16-2018, 02:50 PM   #48
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These guys suck but was the middle open because of them or because of the play call? Given the consistency of Sutton leaving the middle wide open.....I am going with play call
That same consistency that fielded a top 5 scoring defense two years in a row with guys like Justin Houston playing at a high level.

Justin Houston fell off the map, they didn't draft his replacement, the defense sucks.

It's basic freaking logic...but hey, FIRE BOB SUTTON!
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Old 09-16-2018, 02:51 PM   #49
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When he sent more, they got burned.
I disagree. When they sent more, they rushed Roethlisberger into several bad throws. Yes, they got a few, but his % was CERTAINLY lower than when they only rushed 3 or less. That's the thing-you have to lower the completion percentage or you're going to be out there all ****ing day. I don't mind giving up a few big plays if it also means you get some 3 and outs. It's the damned 12 play drives that kill your defense.
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You know what HOF level QB's do to blitzes?

It's like people don't actually watch football.
Well, if you're getting shredded both by rushing 3 and by rushing 5, you might as well rush the extra men and make Roethlisberger as uncomfortable as possible.
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Old 09-16-2018, 02:52 PM   #51
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You know what HOF level QB's do to blitzes?

It's like people don't actually watch football.
I know for a fact if you give them all ****ing day they will pick you apart. You have to rush the throw.
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You know what HOF level QB's do to blitzes?

It's like people don't actually watch football.
No shit, it's JUST LIKE that.

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That same consistency that fielded a top 5 scoring defense two years in a row with guys like Justin Houston playing at a high level.

Justin Houston fell off the map, they didn't draft his replacement, the defense sucks.

It's basic freaking logic...but hey, FIRE BOB SUTTON!
*shake my head*

Didn't Pitt score like 40-something against the Jags in the playoffs last year?

And the Jags are the best D in the conference, hands down...
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I know for a fact if you give them all ****ing day they will pick you apart. You have to rush the throw.
Well, what if you're being held and have no chance of getting there?

What then, Defensive Guru?
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Well, what if you're being held and have no chance of getting there?

What then, Defensive Guru?
I agree there's a lot of holding that wasn't being called.
I don't really know what to do about that, but I don't think you just give up rushing the passer as a strategy.
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Old 09-16-2018, 02:57 PM   #55
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So what about Pitt's defense? Is Pat THAT good, or does their defense suck?

In other words, the Steelers have a goddam good offense. Defense did just enough to win. We have to be better, but we're not gonna face the Steelers every week.
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I agree there's a lot of holding that wasn't being called.
I don't really know what to do about that, but I don't think you just give up rushing the passer as a strategy.
Yep.
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I disagree. When they sent more, they rushed Roethlisberger into several bad throws. Yes, they got a few, but his % was CERTAINLY lower than when they only rushed 3 or less. That's the thing-you have to lower the completion percentage or you're going to be out there all ****ing day. I don't mind giving up a few big plays if it also means you get some 3 and outs. It's the damned 12 play drives that kill your defense.
It's the 55-yard TD drives that take 12 seconds that lose games.
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2nd half was much better. I’ll deal with getting shredded as long as they’re aggressive.

Just can’t watch them sit there and rush 3 and get picked apart.
this is exactly what I am talking about- they started rushing more 4 and 5. Rushing the throw, making Ben move in the pocket, etc. Yes, they gave up a few plays, but they also got some stops.

I much prefer that.
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I agree there's a lot of holding that wasn't being called.
I don't really know what to do about that, but I don't think you just give up rushing the passer as a strategy.
They didn't completely abandon the rush. There were several 5-man rushes in the 4th quarter. The difference was that the DB's made plays. Other than Allen Bailey's sack, they didn't get any more or less pressure than they had most of the 2nd half.
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I disagree. When they sent more, they rushed Roethlisberger into several bad throws. Yes, they got a few, but his % was CERTAINLY lower than when they only rushed 3 or less. That's the thing-you have to lower the completion percentage or you're going to be out there all ****ing day. I don't mind giving up a few big plays if it also means you get some 3 and outs. It's the damned 12 play drives that kill your defense.
You've got my vote for DC.
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