Defense doesn't win championships. Hard-ass coaches do.

[Yehoodi]

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor

Doesn’t hurt to have your qb on a cheap deal because the owner is funneling money through his fitness business either, huh??

Brady has always taken under market deals in his career and/or has restructured his contract, so it is not a recent thing.

With that said, I am not totally comfortable with players going to the TB12 clinic even if the Pats are not paying for it. TB is gaining some benefit from having a supply of Pats players at the ready to come to his clinic.

It may not be much money in the grand scheme of things, so it might not matter that much, but it is some money going to TB12.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Originally Posted by stevegroganfan

Patriots fan here. It is obvious that Reid is a very good coach.

The question I would have as a Chiefs fan is how intelligent/ruthless the Chiefs are in making smart salary cap situations.

That has been Patriots key to their success. 3 very good players often better than 1 great player and 2 below average ones. Literally over 18 years, they really just have one bad FA signing that was expensive that was a complete dud. Part of that is usually focusing on singles/doubles in FA and only going after stars when you are quite convinced they are worth the premium. Revis signed to only one year since he took discount. Gilmore signed long term since he was young.

Obviously not every Patriot player lives up to his contract but under BB the misses tend to not be that bad.

If a player is playing for stats, BB is very wiling to trade him in a heartbeat. He would rather just have smart intelligent robots/players out their that do their jobs in a tough minded manner.

I am not saying Chiefs players are selfish but when Randy Moss kind of turned selfish again and didn't want to change his expectations as a player after he slowed down, I think he was shipped out.

I am not saying BB would do it but with the way he thinks.....if he thought Mahomes could make below average/average receivers very good, he would be willing to trade those receivers for offensive lineman and defensive players.

Cooks isn't great but he was Patriots best outside receiver since Randy Moss. Patriots traded him for a first round pick since Cooks was due for a big contract and BB would rather invest money elsewhere.

I am not saying he wouldn't invest in Tyreek Hill but he wouldn't let fan sentiment get in the way.

Patriots are the organization that got rid of Adam Vinateri after he asked for too much money.

I think if the Chiefs act that ruthlessly and have competent management, they will win a title with Reid within 3-4 years as long as Mahomes is healthy.

How'd Gordon work out for ya?

[Rasputin]

Outscoring the opponent wins every time.

[A Defiant Goose]

Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin

How'd Gordon work out for ya?

Ended up giving us probably an extra win or two, ensuring that your team didn't go one-and-done to New England. Josh Gordon is the reason you got to enjoy your first home playoff win in 25 years lol

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Lack of ruthlessness has long been a pox upon our house. I attribute it to a few different things but the main issues are:

1) No true franchise QB with which to properly weigh/evaluate corresponding talent, and

2) Equating a "classy, well run franchise" with keeping players past their expiration dates for the purposes of pleasing fans.

[Hammock Parties]

It had nothing to do with who had a harder ass coach.

It had everything to do with a huge lack of talent and brains on defense.

We didn't have the talent to cover Gronk or Edelman one on one and Sutton was too dumb to adjust on key downs.

And Dee Ford is an obvious dumbass.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

It had nothing to do with who had a harder ass coach.

It had everything to do with a huge lack of talent and brains on defense.

We didn't have the talent to cover Gronk or Edelman one on one and Sutton was too dumb to adjust on key downs.

And Dee Ford is an obvious dumbass.

[Hammock Parties]

When the Chiefs were beating the Patriots in 2014 and 2017 it had precious little to do with attitude or who had the smarter coach.

It had everything to do with talent.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

When the Chiefs were beating the Patriots in 2014 and 2017 it had precious little to do with attitude or who had the smarter coach.

It had everything to do with talent.

Yep.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

When the Chiefs were beating the Patriots in 2014 and 2017 it had precious little to do with attitude or who had the smarter coach.

It had everything to do with talent.

True. And yet, when Buttons inherited a SMÖRGÅSBORD of defensive players coming in, the best he could achieve was roughly #15 overall.( I think )

Coaching DOES matter.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

True. And yet, when Buttons inherited a SMÖRGÅSBORD of defensive players coming in, the best he could achieve was roughly #15 overall.( I think )

Coaching DOES matter.

Sorry, but you're wrong.

2013 - 5th in points, 24th in yards
2014 - 2nd in points, 7th in yards
2015 - 3rd in points, 7th in yards
2016 - 7th in points, 24th in yards

It's the best 4-year stretch of Chiefs defense in the last 40 years. Talent ALWAYS trumps coaching.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Sorry, but you're wrong.

2013 - 5th in points, 24th in yards
2014 - 2nd in points, 7th in yards
2015 - 3rd in points, 7th in yards
2016 - 7th in points, 24th in yards

It's the best 4-year stretch of Chiefs defense in the last 40 years. Talent ALWAYS trumps coaching.

Talent usually trumps coaching, I agree with that, but coaching is often the difference where the talent is RELATIVELY equal.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Talent usually trumps coaching, I agree with that, but coaching is often the difference where the talent is RELATIVELY equal.

Well duh. LOL

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Talent usually trumps coaching, I agree with that, but coaching is often the difference where the talent is RELATIVELY equal.

I think there's plenty of times NE has beat more talented teams, including this year. So I'm the first to say talent isn't everything. They negate talent differential with smart gameplans and adjustments.

That said, the teams that usually beat the Patriots have talent on defense. The Giants two Super Bowl teams, the Broncos teams that beat them in the AFC title game, they were loaded on defense, at least up front to get pressure on Brady. Even the Eagles last year had several talented pass rushers. Brady ended up throwing for a lot of yards in that game but the Eagles pass rush got the last laugh by hitting him and causing the fumble that finished off the game. You have to have some pure talent on defense for sure to hang with a team like New England.

But to be fair I've said that for years so I'm probably biased. Teams that are all offense and no defense never win, and I figured it'd eventually catch up to the Chiefs. You have to have pass rushers because in the playoffs you're going to face great QBs and you have to be able to disrupt them. Otherwise you can still win, but you're basically leaving it up to a coin flip of who has the ball last, and that was literally how our season ended this year.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Sorry, but you're wrong.

2013 - 5th in points, 24th in yards
2014 - 2nd in points, 7th in yards
2015 - 3rd in points, 7th in yards
2016 - 7th in points, 24th in yards

It's the best 4-year stretch of Chiefs defense in the last 40 years. Talent ALWAYS trumps coaching.

To a point I guess.

Man Bill just put on a damn clinic this year. He destroyed the Chargers, he destroyed us for an entire half and he destroyed the Rams.

How much talent is on Bill’s defense? Honestly not much.

Coaching matters so much. It’s how the Patriots have these JAG’s like Van Noy, Harmon, Clayborn, Simon etc play so we’ll. Hell they lost Chung for the whole game and Hightower was out for about a quarter and guess what? They still dominated.

It’s all strategy.