Chiefs So how does this change our draft strategy? - Page 4

Iconic · 04-23-2019, 01:10 PM

Now that Veach pissed away our first what would you do with these picks? Trade up? Down? Stay put? Position you'd attack? Specific players? Defensive heavy, offensive heavy? Are we more needy and less BPA, or the opposite?

Round 2 #29 (61)
Round 2 #31 (63)
Round 3 #20 (84)
Round 5 #29 (167)
Round 6 #28 (201)
Round 6 #41 (214)
Round 7 #2 (216)

Couch-Potato · 04-23-2019, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tmax63

2nd+2nd gets you to 30 something on a trade up with #84 left
2nd+3rd gets you to mid 40's with one of #61 or #63 left
There's still ammo available to move around if somebody they love falls and they have a 5, 2 6's and a 7 to take flyers on.
BPA with the ability to move a little if needed. I find it hard to fault Veach very much so far this off season unlike some of my CP brethren.

I'm with you. I'd still target specific talent and move around, ideally I'd pkg a 2019 & 2020 2nd + Whatever else is needed for a Patrick Peterson.

ROYC75 · 04-23-2019, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs

Fuller and Breeland are FA next year and Ward is still an unknown. You really think ignoring cornerback in the draft AGAIN is a good idea?

I think with our 2-2's, we have a good shot at getting either of these 2,

Joe Juan Williams-Vanderbilt, CB/S

Lonnie Johnson - UK, CB

I would be happy with 1.

I would be thrilled and spinning with both!

Bonus, 3rd - Montgomer RB, ISU
or take a LB or OL.

ROYC75 · 04-23-2019, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

I'm with you. I'd still target specific talent and move around, ideally I'd pkg a 2019 & 2020 2nd + Whatever else is needed for a Patrick Peterson.

Sounds good now, but we can't afford him plus the moves we need to make in the next few years.

Draft young, build them up, we have made several moves for win now, time to put more cookies back into the jar.

oldman · 04-24-2019, 08:32 AM

I'm just not convinced a WR is a higher priority than a TE. If we were looking at the starting 11 today, we'd have Hill and Watkins as #1 and 2, with DRob as the probable #3. Don't forget Kemp, Dieter, and Coates. We have Kelce as the #1 TE and a whole lot of dreck behind him.

Even if you're a gloom-and-doomer about Hill, no rookie is going to make up for his absence.

CoMoChief · 04-24-2019, 08:36 AM

trade up for Devin White

just do it.

tmax63 · 04-24-2019, 08:41 AM

I agree oldman. Year after year quality WRs are available through FA/trades. TEs are harder to find (just ask the Donkeys, they've been looking for years) and I would even put OL above WR because if you give PM time and he can make any WR look good. Protecting the franchise has now become an issue for the Chiefs because, for the first time since Montana, they have a franchise QB to protect.

O.city · 04-24-2019, 08:51 AM

Teams have these CB's stacked so differently. One team views a player as a top 3 CB while another will have him outside their top 10 CB's. It will be really interesting to see how they come off the board.
— Daniel Jeremiah (@MoveTheSticks) April 24, 2019

I'd say that makes sense. Chiefs may feel the guy they have as their 5th rated CB is available at 61

O.city · 04-24-2019, 09:32 AM

Will Foster Moreau be there in the 5th round?

I think he'd be a great TE #2

Iconic · 04-24-2019, 10:17 AM

Yes. Either him or Mack. But assuming we don't trade up I think anything is on the table in rounds 2 and 3.

They are completely setting themselves up for BPA excluding D-Line talent. So there's a shot of a WR, TE, even O Line, in rounds 2 and 3.

What I don't see happening is us taking a safety AND corner in the second round. I don't think the value will be there for both. Probably just one.

FAX · 04-24-2019, 10:19 AM

I think the original strategy of "Let's Piss Off All Our Fans" is still in play, Mr. Iconic.

FAX

Iconic · 04-24-2019, 10:21 AM

Also true Mr. Fax lmao

Expect the unexpected when it comes to Veach I guess

Jerm · 04-24-2019, 10:23 AM

No chance Winovich or Greedy fall to 61...right?

I still think Veach might trade up.

Simplicity · 04-24-2019, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Iconic

Now that Veach pissed away our first what would you do with these picks? Trade up? Down? Stay put? Position you'd attack? Specific players? Defensive heavy, offensive heavy? Are we more needy and less BPA, or the opposite?

Round 2 #29 (61)
Round 2 #31 (63)
Round 3 #20 (84)
Round 5 #29 (167)
Round 6 #28 (201)
Round 6 #41 (214)
Round 7 #2 (216)

Pissed away our first? You are CRACKED if you think we were going to find any talent close to Frank Clark at #29. Look at the recent players taken at the 29th spot in the draft. The 2nd next year means nothing to me because it's going to be a very late 2nd (hopefully 64).

Mecca · 04-24-2019, 10:54 AM

Still think its CB and Safety...hopefully 2 that fit fall.

**penguinz** · 04-24-2019, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Simplicity

Pissed away our first? You are CRACKED if you think we were going to find any talent close to Frank Clark at #29. Look at the recent players taken at the 29th spot in the draft. The 2nd next year means nothing to me because it's going to be a very late 2nd (hopefully 64).

The second round pick they traded is the one they got from SF. You don't want it to be #64. ;-)

04-23-2019, 01:10 PM
Iconic It's just a ride. Join Date: Dec 2010 Casino cash: $3940360	So how does this change our draft strategy? Now that Veach pissed away our first what would you do with these picks? Trade up? Down? Stay put? Position you'd attack? Specific players? Defensive heavy, offensive heavy? Are we more needy and less BPA, or the opposite? Round 2 #29 (61) Round 2 #31 (63) Round 3 #20 (84) Round 5 #29 (167) Round 6 #28 (201) Round 6 #41 (214) Round 7 #2 (216)
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04-24-2019, 08:32 AM	#49
oldman Curmudgeon Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: North by Northwest Casino cash: $5836784	I'm just not convinced a WR is a higher priority than a TE. If we were looking at the starting 11 today, we'd have Hill and Watkins as #1 and 2, with DRob as the probable #3. Don't forget Kemp, Dieter, and Coates. We have Kelce as the #1 TE and a whole lot of dreck behind him. Even if you're a gloom-and-doomer about Hill, no rookie is going to make up for his absence.
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04-24-2019, 08:36 AM	#50
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04-24-2019, 08:41 AM	#51
tmax63 Veteran Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Colorado Casino cash: $3060400	I agree oldman. Year after year quality WRs are available through FA/trades. TEs are harder to find (just ask the Donkeys, they've been looking for years) and I would even put OL above WR because if you give PM time and he can make any WR look good. Protecting the franchise has now become an issue for the Chiefs because, for the first time since Montana, they have a franchise QB to protect. __________________ An armed member of society is a citizen, an unarmed member is a subject.
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04-24-2019, 08:51 AM	#52
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2434064	Teams have these CB's stacked so differently. One team views a player as a top 3 CB while another will have him outside their top 10 CB's. It will be really interesting to see how they come off the board. — Daniel Jeremiah (@MoveTheSticks) April 24, 2019 I'd say that makes sense. Chiefs may feel the guy they have as their 5th rated CB is available at 61
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04-24-2019, 09:32 AM	#53
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2434064	Will Foster Moreau be there in the 5th round? I think he'd be a great TE #2
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04-24-2019, 10:17 AM	#54
Iconic It's just a ride. Join Date: Dec 2010 Casino cash: $3940360	Yes. Either him or Mack. But assuming we don't trade up I think anything is on the table in rounds 2 and 3. They are completely setting themselves up for BPA excluding D-Line talent. So there's a shot of a WR, TE, even O Line, in rounds 2 and 3. What I don't see happening is us taking a safety AND corner in the second round. I don't think the value will be there for both. Probably just one. __________________ 12·12·11 回 RIP Turd Haley
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04-24-2019, 10:19 AM	#55
FAX testing ... 1, 2, 3 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tennessee Casino cash: $6753759	I think the original strategy of "Let's Piss Off All Our Fans" is still in play, Mr. Iconic. FAX
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04-24-2019, 10:21 AM	#56
Iconic It's just a ride. Join Date: Dec 2010 Casino cash: $3940360	Also true Mr. Fax lmao Expect the unexpected when it comes to Veach I guess __________________ 12·12·11 回 RIP Turd Haley
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04-24-2019, 10:23 AM	#57
Jerm Mahomes > God Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $5658996	No chance Winovich or Greedy fall to 61...right? I still think Veach might trade up.
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04-24-2019, 10:54 AM	#59
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2247050	Still think its CB and Safety...hopefully 2 that fit fall.
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