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Old 06-06-2019, 04:41 AM  
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What is Trevor Lawrence worth?
I think this kid is the next "generational" QB along with Mahomes....albeit different playing styles. I really hope he gets drafted to the NFC.

His highlight reel...in which he's a freshman, is pretty fantastic. To play like that, a year removed from high school,...yikes.

What is he worth in draft capital?...hypothetically, if the #1 (drafting) team just chose a top QB the year before?

Two entire drafts? 3-4 first round picks?

What would Mahomes go for...if teams knew he was a 50 TD QB?

A generational QB can define your franchise....for like 15 years.
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Old 06-06-2019, 09:32 AM   #46
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One game. Watson looked great against Bama twice too. Clemson is the one team that has the talent to match up with Bama.

I said he was a great QB prospect. Im just simply pointing out that it’s hard to tell just how good he actually is when he plays on the best team in the country.
Watson has also been good in the nfl though.

At this point I think Lawrence is a better prospect than those two were at the same point in their collegiate career.
Long way to go though
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Old 06-06-2019, 09:33 AM   #47
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One game. Watson looked great against Bama twice too. Clemson is the one team that has the talent to match up with Bama.

I said he was a great QB prospect. Im just simply pointing out that it’s hard to tell just how good he actually is when he plays on the best team in the country.
But we're not talking about a system qb. Or a guy like Watson who by and large used superior athleticism. What's driving rave reviews is the things he does that most bcs bowl qbs don't do. Lots of those guys have loaded supporting casts, sometimes nfl level physical talent. It's not like his players were bailing him out or that he was constantly locking onto his primary read.

It reminds me of luck in college. He had an NFL oline. Not a terribly difficult conference. But we just saw him mentally process the game like an actual NFL qb. There's no guarantee he stays this good. But he's clearly stood out as something special in a decade where that doesn't happen much for a college qb
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Old 06-06-2019, 09:34 AM   #48
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Watson has also been good in the nfl though.

At this point I think Lawrence is a better prospect than those two were at the same point in their collegiate career.
Long way to go though
But we all know Watson isn’t going to be as good as people thought.

I agree that Lawrence is a better prospect. I literally called him a “great” one.

I don’t know why simply saying it’s tough to gauge just how good a guy that’s played one year on the best team in college football really is means I’m being unreasonable.
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Old 06-06-2019, 09:37 AM   #49
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But we're not talking about a system qb. Or a guy like Watson who by and large used superior athleticism. What's driving rave reviews is the things he does that most bcs bowl qbs don't do. Lots of those guys have loaded supporting casts, sometimes nfl level physical talent. It's not like his players were bailing him out or that he was constantly locking onto his primary read.

It reminds me of luck in college. He had an NFL oline. Not a terribly difficult conference. But we just saw him mentally process the game like an actual NFL qb. There's no guarantee he stays this good. But he's clearly stood out as something special in a decade where that doesn't happen much for a college qb
I never said anything about the system. I’m talking about the talent around him. Stanford and Clemson aren’t even remotely comparable.
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Old 06-06-2019, 09:39 AM   #50
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One of the biggest deal breakers for me when evaluating a QB is how they do under pressure and facing adversity.

Until we actually see him under pressure and facing adversity, it’s hard to tell how great he is.
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Old 06-06-2019, 09:58 AM   #51
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I don’t know why simply saying it’s tough to gauge just how good a guy that’s played one year on the best team in college football really is means I’m being unreasonable.
He's been good for a long time...

"His sophomore year to his senior year, Lawrence led the Purple Hurricanes to 41 straight victories, winning two state championships and four region titles."

He starts, mid-season, as a freshmen, in a big-time college program. He sets the record for TDs by a freshman in only 11 games. 30 TDs vs. 4 INTs. Wins national title...

He's about as close to a "sure thing" as you are going to get....he's making some NFL-level throws already. Probably the best prospect since Luck (2011)...so when he's drafted, in a decade. That's generational...of course he can flop....but I dont see it.

I would still rather have Mahomes...he's a much more entertaining QB to watch....but that wasn't the point of the thread.

If KC didnt have PM...I would be begging them to tank for Lawrence.
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Old 06-06-2019, 10:02 AM   #52
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[QUOTE=Bowser;14296407]I've never seen that before. Amazing. That's shades of the left handed Bronco game from last year.

Me either that was freaking AWESOME
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He's been good for a long time...

"His sophomore year to his senior year, Lawrence led the Purple Hurricanes to 41 straight victories, winning two state championships and four region titles."

He starts, mid-season, as a freshmen, in a big-time college program. He sets the record for TDs by a freshman in only 11 games. 30 TDs vs. 4 INTs. Wins national title...

He's about as close to a "sure thing" as you are going to get....he's making some NFL-level throws already.

I would still rather have Mahomes...he's a much more entertaining QB to watch....but that wasn't the point of the thread.

If KC didnt have PM...I would be begging them to tank for Lawrence.


It’s absolutely useless to look at HS when evaluating a QB.
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Old 06-06-2019, 10:04 AM   #54
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I woulnd't mind him in the AFC if it's in a different division. Would be cool to have our own little Manning Brady thing going in the playoffs.

I'm hoping thats what Watson and Mahomes get going but i dunno.
Probably Mayfield and Mahomes more than Watson.
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Mahomes is so ****ing nasty. Good God, we are lucky to have this guy in red, white, and gold.
Thank GOD we don't have to watch out defense chase him around for an entire game. Damn that has to be SOOOOO FRUSTRATING!
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I never said anything about the system. I’m talking about the talent around him. Stanford and Clemson aren’t even remotely comparable.
You realize you're walking into the same exact argument people have used to rip down mahomes, right? Goff and mahomes both are surrounded by talent. It isn't hard to see the major difference in how they're winning. And anyone who's actually seen mahomes play knows it's not just about his supporting cast. Sure, we gotta see how he does in pressure situations, but he was also dominant on the biggest stage possible. There's always something with college qbs. Too easy, too difficult, too much talent, couldn't carry a bad offense, couldn't carry a bad defense.... At some point you have to trust your eyes. Without a doubt assuming no severe regression he's the best qb prospect since Andrew luck (prospect... Based on what we saw out of college...)
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It’s absolutely useless to look at HS when evaluating a QB.
Not when he duplicates his performance out of the gate...I guess Clemson just throws darts when recruiting.

Dumb comment...
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You realize you're walking into the same exact argument people have used to rip down mahomes, right? Goff and mahomes both are surrounded by talent. It isn't hard to see the major difference in how they're winning. And anyone who's actually seen mahomes play knows it's not just about his supporting cast. Sure, we gotta see how he does in pressure situations, but he was also dominant on the biggest stage possible. There's always something with college qbs. Too easy, too difficult, too much talent, couldn't carry a bad offense, couldn't carry a bad defense.... At some point you have to trust your eyes. Without a doubt assuming no severe regression he's the best qb prospect since Andrew luck (prospect... Based on what we saw out of college...)
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Ummm that’s in the NFL and he threw for 5,000 yards and 50 TD’s. False equivalency.
Comparing that to Mahomes doing in in the NFL against the Pats (2x), Ravens, and Chargers (2x) is completely different.

Have we seen Lawrence under consistent pressure and facing adversity? No.

I’ve already said he was a great QB prospect. I don’t understand why this is so hard for some of you to get.
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He hasn't lost in 52 straight games....going back to HS. Jesus...that's insane.
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He's as good of a prospect as any but he's proven nothing. Watson did the same shit at Clemson and he's not a generational talent.
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