Raw milk...

[limested]

Anyone else drink it? So much better than store bought.

[Buehler445]

This is the last post I'm going to make in this thread, because I don't need another one of those discussions. But here's my position.

Raw milk has been consumed for centuries. As long as it comes from a ‘clean’ farm it is perfectly safe. I get it from a local farm that specializes in raw dairy, they make their own kiefer, butter etc as well organically raised pork and chickens.[/QUOTE]

As previously stated, I don't know shit about milk processing or the associated bacterium species. Here's what I know: FDA Federally mandated that milk be pasturized for a reason. I'm not going to do the requisite research to do an adequate risk assessment.

I won't do this because here's what else I know: The United States has the safest, most abundant, most consistent food supply chain in the history of the species. There aren't some goddamned evil corporations or whatever hogshit documentary or dumb**** PETA pamphlet tried to convince you there are. Simple truth is regulatory bodies typically have the best interest of the consumer. They're not perfect, but on the whole they're doing the right things.

Accordingly, I'm not willing to rock the boat of 100 years of medical science and think that what grandpa did is what I should be doing. My grandpa was rolling one way plows with Model D on wheat fallow wheat. Those practices were ecologically catastrophic, and led to the dust bowl. Forgive me if I don't view history through the same nostalgic lens.

So yeah, out on that.

Originally Posted by limested

I agree that it would not be safe from a commercial farm that has their cows wallowing in their own shit and stuffed in pens eating questionable foods.

Here's where I know for certain you don't know what the **** you're talking about.

You've obviously never been to a modern commercial dairy. They are nothing like commercial feedlots for beef production. There's one here locally, and it's not even that big. But the only "pens" are for the calves, because you know that a cow has to have a calf to produce milk. Each cow gets it's own stall that it is washed of shit and bedding of daily. Anything else would expose the cow to the risk of plugged udders. Stalls are heated and have very good ventilation. They are treated very gently and are walked back to their stalls with out panels or any sort of driving. They are walked back by an employee.

As for the feed quality you are equally off base. They're total dicks about feed quality. I can personally attest to this as I've sold them inputs before. The nutritionists manage their diet far closer than you or I.

Here's what you don't get about dairy operations. A single dairy cow produces an extraordinary amount of milk. However, if stress is introduced - sickness, rough treatment, feed rations being out of balance, infection, heat/cold stress, virtually anything out of the ordinary and the production drops to 1/3 (IIRC - I'd have to talk to some legitimate dairy guys to verify that one). Which absolutely destroys the dairy's margins.

Which is what nobody that hates commercial agriculture understands. Stressed animals don't produce. If feeder cattle hated standing in a pen with their herd (they'll herd up on the range too), they wouldn't gain. If chickens hated being caged, they wouldn't gain or lay. If hogs hated being in confinement they wouldn't gain. If the cost of production gets ****ed up that operation fails because production agriculture is competitive.

So the whole narrative of evil industrialists abusing livestock for gain falls flat when faced with the facts from the first day of any animal science class. Stressed animals won't produce.

One last note on the organic hogshit. If there were anything at all that any real science could point to harmful effects to humanity - real, peer reviewed, repeatable, statistically significant scientific findings - regulatory bodies would shut it down in an instant. Fact is that conventionally grown agricultural products are the most scrutinized products in the supply chain. Not to say there aren't individual fools operating in bad faith within the supply chain, but to sit here and say organic is better because of the poisons they put on - Buehler445 is out there spraying poisons 120' at a time. I'VE SEEN IT - is a joke. If it could be traced to anything remotely harmful it would be off the market in an instant.

/rant

Buehler out.

[limested]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

This is the last post I'm going to make in this thread, because I don't need another one of those discussions. But here's my position.

Raw milk has been consumed for centuries. As long as it comes from a ‘clean’ farm it is perfectly safe. I get it from a local farm that specializes in raw dairy, they make their own kiefer, butter etc as well organically raised pork and chickens.

As previously stated, I don't know shit about milk processing or the associated bacterium species. Here's what I know: FDA Federally mandated that milk be pasturized for a reason. I'm not going to do the requisite research to do an adequate risk assessment.

I won't do this because here's what else I know: The United States has the safest, most abundant, most consistent food supply chain in the history of the species. There aren't some goddamned evil corporations or whatever hogshit documentary or dumb**** PETA pamphlet tried to convince you there are. Simple truth is regulatory bodies typically have the best interest of the consumer. They're not perfect, but on the whole they're doing the right things.

Accordingly, I'm not willing to rock the boat of 100 years of medical science and think that what grandpa did is what I should be doing. My grandpa was rolling one way plows with Model D on wheat fallow wheat. Those practices were ecologically catastrophic, and led to the dust bowl. Forgive me if I don't view history through the same nostalgic lens.

So yeah, out on that.



Here's where I know for certain you don't know what the **** you're talking about.

You've obviously never been to a modern commercial dairy. They are nothing like commercial feedlots for beef production. There's one here locally, and it's not even that big. But the only "pens" are for the calves, because you know that a cow has to have a calf to produce milk. Each cow gets it's own stall that it is washed of shit and bedding of daily. Anything else would expose the cow to the risk of plugged udders. Stalls are heated and have very good ventilation. They are treated very gently and are walked back to their stalls with out panels or any sort of driving. They are walked back by an employee.

As for the feed quality you are equally off base. They're total dicks about feed quality. I can personally attest to this as I've sold them inputs before. The nutritionists manage their diet far closer than you or I.

Here's what you don't get about dairy operations. A single dairy cow produces an extraordinary amount of milk. However, if stress is introduced - sickness, rough treatment, feed rations being out of balance, infection, heat/cold stress, virtually anything out of the ordinary and the production drops to 1/3 (IIRC - I'd have to talk to some legitimate dairy guys to verify that one). Which absolutely destroys the dairy's margins.

Which is what nobody that hates commercial agriculture understands. Stressed animals don't produce. If feeder cattle hated standing in a pen with their herd (they'll herd up on the range too), they wouldn't gain. If chickens hated being caged, they wouldn't gain or lay. If hogs hated being in confinement they wouldn't gain. If the cost of production gets ****ed up that operation fails because production agriculture is competitive.

So the whole narrative of evil industrialists abusing livestock for gain falls flat when faced with the facts from the first day of any animal science class. Stressed animals won't produce.

One last note on the organic hogshit. If there were anything at all that any real science could point to harmful effects to humanity - real, peer reviewed, repeatable, statistically significant scientific findings - regulatory bodies would shut it down in an instant. Fact is that conventionally grown agricultural products are the most scrutinized products in the supply chain. Not to say there aren't individual fools operating in bad faith within the supply chain, but to sit here and say organic is better because of the poisons they put on - Buehler445 is out there spraying poisons 120' at a time. I'VE SEEN IT - is a joke. If it could be traced to anything remotely harmful it would be off the market in an instant.

/rant

Buehler out.[/QUOTE]

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Darien25

My uncle was a dairy farmer for decades and he always had a big jug of raw milk at the table when we ate. Watery looking stuff with a lot of cream floating at the top. Always freaked me out and I did everything I could to avoid drinking it.

Yeah, that's what I remember most. I never cared for it.

[scho63]

Originally Posted by limested

Anyone else drink it? So much better than store bought.

You sure it's raw cow milk and not raw cow jizz?

[limested]

Originally Posted by scho63

You sure it's raw cow milk and not raw cow jizz?

Your wife refused to chug it so I am pretty sure it is milk and not bull jizz.

[R Clark]

It takes time getting use to It ,but Once you do store bought is like drinking water. We never had dairy cows growing up but if a decent acting beef cow lost a calf my dad would bring her up to the barn and start milking her. I thought they sent a sample in to get tested but I may not be remembering correctly.my sons mil keeps a couple dairy cows around and milks them so we can get it when we feel like it.one thing about beef cows you don’t strain the cream off just shake it and go.

[ghak99]

Originally Posted by Chieftain

I would strongly recommend not drinking raw milk. Because it's not pasteurized, it means all the bacteria from the cow's stomach will enter your stomach. You may end up with H-Pylori or some other bacterial infection before you know it.

Originally Posted by Chieftain

What is a credible source? Do farmers analyze the cow's stomach bacteria before they take the milk out? They would need a medically certified lab to do that.

Originally Posted by Chieftain

I agree. Dairy products (low in fat) are excellent for your health. Especially yogurt. There are many diet experts and even doctors that tell you dairy is bad for you and that it causes inflamation. Complete bullshit. Milk products have some of the highest content of Calcium, Protein and Vitamin D. They are essential to long life and healthy bones.

Originally Posted by Chieftain

But they don't analyze the milk's bacteria content. The cow might be healthy but its stomach bacteria is not compatible with that of a human.

I'm going to start with these posts because you're dumb as ****.

A cow's udder and stomach are not connected. Milk does not come from the cow's stomach. The bacteria in the stomach does not come out the teats. There is no cross contamination of whatever bacteria you're dreaming about here. Every single load of milk that leaves a farm is tested. Then the whole load is tested when it arrives at the processor. Those tests indicate the general health of the cows it came from and any contamination that may have occurred between the cow and the plant. No, it probably doesn't test for stomach bacteria because it's ****ing impossible for there to be stomach bacteria in the milk.

People have been drinking fresh milk forever. It is becoming much more popular recently. Why, hell if I know, but pasteurized and ultra pasteurized milk does indeed taste different and can have a noticeable difference in texture while consumed.

[ghak99]

Originally Posted by Darien25

My uncle was a dairy farmer for decades and he always had a big jug of raw milk at the table when we ate. Watery looking stuff with a lot of cream floating at the top. Always freaked me out and I did everything I could to avoid drinking it.

I was the same way. Nasty looking shit that freaked me out.

...but if grandma pulled the cream and make butter, ice cream, etc I'd devour that shit like it was crack. If she'd mix chill and serve it to me unknowingly it was the best milk you could get. Seeing that separation while sitting on the table, oh hell no.

[scho63]

Originally Posted by limested

Your wife refused to chug it so I am pretty sure it is milk and not bull jizz.

That wasn't my wife, that was your Mom

[Frazod]

A thread about ****ing milk has people at each others' throats.

I love this place.

[limested]

Originally Posted by scho63

That wasn't my wife, that was your Mom

That was a really pathetic come back.

[2bikemike]

I don't even drink milk anymore. My wife ruined it for me. First we went from whole milk to 2%, then once I got used to that she switched to skim. Now it's freaking almond milk. If you try and go back it tastes too thick.
Having grown up on dairy milk in a bottle and then working at Zarda I drank a lot of milk.

I couldn't drink the ultra pasteurized milk in the Navy when we were in the Persian Gulf either. They would let that stuff sit in the helo hanger and it was a 100 deg in there.

[Ubeja Vontell]

When you see sooooooooooooo much stuff out there talking about the dangers of raw milk, why risk it? OBVIOUSLY....there is some problems with it. How can anyone....ah **** it?

I could post something similiar to that video everyday for a month, yes, raw milk is dangerous.

[limested]

Originally Posted by Ubeja Vontell

When you see sooooooooooooo much stuff out there talking about the dangers of raw milk, why risk it? OBVIOUSLY....there is some problems with it. How can anyone....ah **** it?

I could post something similiar to that video everyday for a month, yes, raw milk is dangerous.

Your and idiot.

[Ubeja Vontell]

Originally Posted by limested

Your and idiot.

An idiot ignores....


What does the New York State Department of Health recommend about the consumption of raw milk or raw milk products?

The New York State Department of Health strongly recommends that people DO NOT CONSUME any raw milk or raw milk products. Raw milk made into other products, like soft cheese, ice cream, and yogurt, can still cause dangerous infections. The New York State Department of Health recommends consuming only milk and milk products that have been pasteurized.

And that is just one of a TON all saying the same thing.

So they are all idiots and you know better,,,,