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Old 09-23-2020, 10:42 AM   #1
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This is what it boils down to, really. Same thing with Deshaun Watson and Lamar Jackson. People just want to be right about their college evaluations.
For me, I never evaluated Herbert coming out. Didn't get a chance to watch him a lot in college.

Let me put it this way:

With Herbert, as it is with all young QB's I see, I want to actually be impressed before I start saying I was impressed.

The guy played a solid game. He wasn't spectacular and outside of one throw, he wasn't even impressive. He was "good".

And then we have to hear the talking heads saying that his back corner throw to a WIDE OPEN WR was so hard, like Herbert is the only rookie that could make that throw. The hyperbole is just silly. Lots of guys in the NFL can make that throw. Doesn't mean they're going to be successful long term.

And that has a lot to do with how I evaluate Watson and Jackson, especially Jackson.

It gets really old listening to how Jackson is the best QB in the NFL when anybody with eyes can clearly see he isn't.

It's unfortunately just a symptom of the world we live in, especially with the media. One is not really allowed to say anything neutral or ambivalent. Everything has to be highly polarized. A guy is going to be great or he's going to be a bust. Nah, I haven't seen anything from Herbert yet that suggests either of those things is true.
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Old 09-23-2020, 11:50 AM   #2
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Herbert looked good for a rookie making his first start, but I’ll leave it at that.
He looked good to me...

No reps (if Chargers PR is being truthful)...looked poised and had some nice NFL throws.

If he had just run for the 1st instead of the INT...he likely beats Mahomes in his first start. They definitely had some "home cooking", late...but he still threw for over 300.

You look for "flashes" with a rookie...he played way better than I thought he would.

I hear he was inconsistent in college...have a great game then suck. We'll see...
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Old 09-23-2020, 10:29 AM   #3
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We've seen literally every young QB in the league make throws like Herbert made on Sunday. Have you ever watched a Sam Darnold highlight reel? He makes some absolutely Mahomes-esque throws at times. But then he flat out sucks at times too.

The simple fact is that it's one game. He wasn't horrible, he wasn't great.

Statistically, most of these young QB's are going to hover somewhere between league average and outright failure. The success rate for true franchise QB's is just low.
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Old 09-23-2020, 10:31 AM   #4
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We've seen literally every young QB in the league make throws like Herbert made on Sunday. Have you ever watched a Sam Darnold highlight reel? He makes some absolutely Mahomes-esque throws at times. But then he flat out sucks at times too.

The simple fact is that it's one game. He wasn't horrible, he wasn't great.

Statistically, most of these young QB's are going to hover somewhere between league average and outright failure. The success rate for true franchise QB's is just low.
What more could you have expected from a 1st start, is what i'm asking?

What did he NOT display?

No one's crowning his ass.

We're saying after his first game, the arrow is pointed up. That could change of course, but there's really nothing to complain about from his first start.
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Old 09-23-2020, 10:34 AM   #5
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What more could you have expected from a 1st start, is what i'm asking?

What did he NOT display?

No one's crowning his ass.

We're saying after his first game, the arrow is pointed up. That could change of course, but there's really nothing to complain about from his first start.
There's a lot of talking heads out there stopping just short of "crowning his ass". There's a couple here too, even if it's not you.

Everybody gets all horny over young QB's when they make 2 or 3 good throws early in their career.

And then it just never materializes beyond that. It's just simple math.
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Old 09-23-2020, 10:40 AM   #6
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And then it just never materializes beyond that. It's just simple math.
Recent history suggests otherwise.

Josh Allen
Patrick Mahomes
Deshaun Watson
Lamar Jackson
Carson Wentz
Kyler Murray

Joe Burrow looks pretty good through two games.

And to be fair to Mayfield and Darnold, those guys play for franchises that are historical trainwrecks.
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Old 09-23-2020, 10:45 AM   #7
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Recent history suggests otherwise.

Josh Allen
Patrick Mahomes
Deshaun Watson
Lamar Jackson
Carson Wentz
Kyler Murray

Joe Burrow looks pretty good through two games.

And to be fair to Mayfield and Darnold, those guys play for franchises that are historical trainwrecks.
Josh Allen? The book is still VERY out on him.

Deshaun Watson is great for stats. Loser mentality. Pouts. Holds onto the ball too long. Definitely not a top tier QB.

Carson Wentz can't even stay on the field.

And for now, I'm just not going to address Lamar Jackson.

Out of that list, Patrick Mahomes is on a HoF trajectory and you simply can't argue otherwise. Kyler Murray looks very promising.

The rest of those guys have HUGE question marks of one kind or another (outside of Jackson, who still has question marks of his own).
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Herbert looked good last week, but with the patchwork defense the Chiefs trotted out to the field, that's not particularly hard to achieve for a top 10 drafted QB. Needless to say the jury is well and truly still out.
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Herbert’s college tape is FULL of reasons to be skeptical.

Maybe that’s why some people aren’t going to overreact to one game?
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And @ Baker’s story not being written yet.

He sucks and if you can’t see it at this point, I don’t know what to tell you.

Darnold is a guy that’s in an awful situation, but Baker has great weapons, a great running game, and a solid OL. He is who he is at this point.
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This is exactly what I'm talking about.

Zero tolerance at all for reservation or hesitation.

You MUST either hate him or love him. There's no in between.

I'm done arguing about it. I've said all I need to say.
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This is exactly what I'm talking about.

Zero tolerance at all for reservation or hesitation.

You MUST either hate him or love him. There's no in between.

I'm done arguing about it. I've said all I need to say.
Zero tolerance? You just discredited every young, successful QB in the league because they're not a once in every 50 years kind of guy.

Go ahead, give me your top 10 QB's right now.
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Zero tolerance? You just discredited every young, successful QB in the league because they're not a once in every 50 years kind of guy.
I most certainly did not. Just stop.

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Go ahead, give me your top 10 QB's right now.
Russell Wilson
Patrick Mahomes
Aaron Rodgers
Lamar Jackson

drop-off

Kyler Murray
Cam Newton
Josh Allen
Gardner Minshew

drop-off

Dak Prescott
Derek Carr

I really hate those young QB's don't I?
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