Football Ongoing St. Louis vs the NFL Litigation Thread - Page 4

Rams Fan · 07-12-2021, 09:40 PM

So, as a TLDR warning, basically all these tweets are from today regarding rulings in St. Louis' lawsuit vs the NFL regarding the Rams relocation

Basically, the judge ruled heavily in the city's favor to continue moving forward in the legal process and it looks like this case will go to a jury trial at some point, meaning a bunch of dirty laundry concerning the league is about to be aired.

Tid-bit regarding the Chiefs is that it looks like Clark Hunt's financial information, as well as some other owners aside from Kroenke, will be shared with the city.

At STL City court...STL vs. NFL protective order to asess punitive damages. STL wants discovery of NFL assets, says the legal standard is straightforward.
— Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021

STL says NFL & Kroenke committed "willful or outrageous or reckless act vs. plaintiff rights."
— Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021

STL claims NFL kept discovery confidential. Email from Eric Gruman-"I'm trying to get some terrific L.A. opportunities to fruition under cover of darkness."
— Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021

In deposition, Goodell held relocation guidelines in his hand. Was asked "are these mandatory?" (to abide by) Replied "Counselor, it says right here, (they are).
— Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021

2014 Email from Demoff to NFL says L.A. land story is coming out. League responds "what should we say." Demoff provides talking points that Goodell uses in Super Bowl press conference, denying he knows land purchase by Kroenke is for stadium.
— Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021

Peacock e-mail to Demoff telling him about National Car Rental naming rights deal. Demoff responds with link to YouTube video that screams "F it, I'm out."
— Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021

STL has record of 2013 phone call with Kroenke, Goodell, Mara (Giants) and Rooney (Steelers). Kroenke says "I'm going to buy 2 parcels of land and build a stadium in L.A." Says we're trying very hard to stay under the radar screen and keep it hidden." Goodell: "We will respect
— Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021

Your confidentiality. "
— Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021

Other notes-NFL never intended to force Kroenke to negotiate in good faith.
— Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021

Judge says he needs clear and convincing evidence that about 25 defendants operated in a fraudulent manner, and says he hasn't seen that. Says evidence is necessary to delve into individuals' finances.
— Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021

STL attorney says they received relocation money. That's all we need to know. It was said in owners meeting STL would be harmed."
— Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021

It was confirmed that the Arizona Cardinals voted against the Rams relocation. My sense is the Panthers were the other team that did.
— Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021

Judge says preponderance of evidence exists against Mara, Kraft, Jones, Rooney...one other...for damages. Most NFL owners spared discovery of finances.
— Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021

2 other nuggets: Jerry Jones admitted he urged Kroenke to move. Day after relocation vote, Rams signed contract w/ Jones Legends corp to sell PSL's and luxury boxes.
— Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021

One quick correction: STL has the ability to investigate net worth of NFL, Goodell, Kroenke, Jones, Kraft, Mara, Richardson. They have 10 days to ask for right to investigate other owners. Apparently it's rare for a judge to rule from the bench, as he did for STL here.
— Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021

In today's more than 2-hour hearing that was not publicly docketed, Judge Chris McGraugh said St. Louis plaintiffs showed sufficient evidence to get financials from NFL, Kroenke, Rams, Commissioner Goodell and team owners Jones, Mara, Kraft and Richardson. Story TK @stltoday https://t.co/sDJG6LMNgV
— Joel Currier (@joelcurrier) July 12, 2021

Correction. The judge did not list Goodell among those from whom St. Louis plaintiffs may get financial information. He mentioned Clark Hunt, owner of the KC Chiefs. @Ben_Fred https://t.co/bTnjbh9prn
— Joel Currier (@joelcurrier) July 12, 2021

Titty Meat · 07-13-2021, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

The hot load that dropped outta Mike Sam's ass has become sentient and is posting on our board.

That's hawt. I'd love to catch him at a tailgate I'd make his ass touch his ankles with just 1 punch

Rams Fan · 07-13-2021, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Spott

They stole their team from LA and now they’re pissed because they went back home? They had two chances and blew them both. St Louis isn’t a football town and never deserved a team. But at least they have a bigger airport which makes it easier to get the hell out of that shithole city.

The issue isn’t that they left.

The issue is they flat out lied to the city/taxpayers/fans saying they had no intentions of leaving (I believe as recently as 2013 or 2014 publicly) and had the entire relocation circus go forward with the city, causing millions of taxpayer dollars to be spent on an effort that the NFL never would consider even though the NFL publicly said they’d adhere to their own guidelines, which they didn’t.

Also, the whole St. Louis isn’t a football town argument is getting old and not accurate. Give the city a decent product to watch and the fans will come and support. St. Louis has only had 8 combined PO appearances with the Rams and Cardinals in 49 seasons.

FloridaMan88 · 07-13-2021, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Matrix

Still a ton more relevant than the Royals I'd say.

Which team has a more recent World Series trophy?

Also KC has Patrick Mahomes and St. Loser has hockey… enough said.

Rams Fan · 07-13-2021, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Which team has a more recent World Series trophy?

Also KC has Patrick Mahomes and St. Loser has hockey… enough said.

Why do people feel the need to bash one city over the other when it should be about supporting the state as a whole?

St. Louis’ struggles aren’t good for Missouri as a whole. If KC and STL do well separately on all things, not just sports, everyone wins. Vice versus with KC.

Spott · 07-13-2021, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan

Also, the whole St. Louis isn’t a football town argument is getting old and not accurate. Give the city a decent product to watch and the fans will come and support. St. Louis has only had 8 combined PO appearances with the Rams and Cardinals in 49 seasons.

I just checked the NFL website and St Louis is indeed not a football town.

FloridaMan88 · 07-13-2021, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan

Why do people feel the need to bash one city over the other when it should be about supporting the state as a whole?

St. Louis’ struggles aren’t good for Missouri as a whole. If KC and STL do well separately on all things, not just sports, everyone wins. Vice versus with KC.

St. Loser has a long history of trying to sabotage KC’s civic efforts.

They tried to persuade local voters in KC to vote against funding to build the Sprint Center.

And state representatives from the St. Loser-area have a history of not supporting funding for stadium projects/enhancements in KC, while pushing for the state to bankroll these same types of projects in St. Loser.

Where was your appeal for state unity during these situations?

Rams Fan · 07-13-2021, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

St. Loser has a long history of trying to sabotage KC’s civic efforts.

They tried to persuade local voters in KC to vote against funding to build the Sprint Center.

And state representatives from the St. Loser-area have a history of not supporting funding for stadium projects/enhancements in KC, while pushing for the state to bankroll these same types of projects in St. Loser.

Where was your appeal for state unity during these situations?

I wasn’t of voting age and my sister hadn’t moved to KC to work in KCPS as a teacher.

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Originally Posted by Spott

I just checked the NFL website and St Louis is indeed not a football town.

GloucesterChief · 07-13-2021, 02:24 PM

Like I said, send the Chargers to St. Louis. Kroenke gets his lease broken as a mea culpula and everyone is happy.

Kiimo · 07-13-2021, 02:26 PM

Well not Charger fans. That's like 20k really angry guys dressed as lightning bolts

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-13-2021, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GloucesterChief

Like I said, send the Chargers to St. Louis. Kroenke gets his lease broken as a mea culpula and everyone is happy.

As long as the Spanos family owns the Chargers, they'll forever stay in SoCal.

If the family decides to sell, moving the team from Los Angeles to a city like St. Louis would be monumentally stupid.

Why do you think that Kroenke began working to move the franchise back to Los Angeles in 2007?

Kiimo · 07-13-2021, 02:28 PM

Yeah you'd probably have better luck pulling the Jaguars somehow.

Rams Fan · 07-13-2021, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

As long as the Spanos family owns the Chargers, they'll forever stay in SoCal.

If the family decides to sell, moving the team from Los Angeles to a city like St. Louis would be monumentally stupid.

Why do you think that Kroenke began working to move the franchise back to Los Angeles in 2007?

There’s also the fact that the Spanos would have to actually build a stadium with $ they don’t have.

Kiimo · 07-13-2021, 02:34 PM

My dream is Jeff Besos buys the team and builds a stadium down in San Diego and takes them back there. I know there are huge problems with that but that's the scenario I like best.

Even when I lived in KC going to San Diego for a Chiefs / Chargers game was awesome. Way more fun than driving 4 hours to St. Louis

Titty Meat · 07-13-2021, 02:49 PM

Enjoy your downtown MLS stadium rams fan!

mschiefs1984 · 07-13-2021, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Well not Charger fans. That's like 20k really angry guys dressed as lightning bolts

20K seems a little high

07-12-2021, 09:40 PM
Rams Fan Greatest QB Duo of 2015 Join Date: Mar 2010 Casino cash: $2431023	Ongoing St. Louis vs the NFL Litigation Thread So, as a TLDR warning, basically all these tweets are from today regarding rulings in St. Louis' lawsuit vs the NFL regarding the Rams relocation Basically, the judge ruled heavily in the city's favor to continue moving forward in the legal process and it looks like this case will go to a jury trial at some point, meaning a bunch of dirty laundry concerning the league is about to be aired. Tid-bit regarding the Chiefs is that it looks like Clark Hunt's financial information, as well as some other owners aside from Kroenke, will be shared with the city. At STL City court...STL vs. NFL protective order to asess punitive damages. STL wants discovery of NFL assets, says the legal standard is straightforward. — Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021 STL says NFL & Kroenke committed "willful or outrageous or reckless act vs. plaintiff rights." — Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021 STL claims NFL kept discovery confidential. Email from Eric Gruman-"I'm trying to get some terrific L.A. opportunities to fruition under cover of darkness." — Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021 In deposition, Goodell held relocation guidelines in his hand. Was asked "are these mandatory?" (to abide by) Replied "Counselor, it says right here, (they are). — Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021 2014 Email from Demoff to NFL says L.A. land story is coming out. League responds "what should we say." Demoff provides talking points that Goodell uses in Super Bowl press conference, denying he knows land purchase by Kroenke is for stadium. — Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021 Peacock e-mail to Demoff telling him about National Car Rental naming rights deal. Demoff responds with link to YouTube video that screams "F it, I'm out." — Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021 STL has record of 2013 phone call with Kroenke, Goodell, Mara (Giants) and Rooney (Steelers). Kroenke says "I'm going to buy 2 parcels of land and build a stadium in L.A." Says we're trying very hard to stay under the radar screen and keep it hidden." Goodell: "We will respect — Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021 Your confidentiality. " — Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021 Other notes-NFL never intended to force Kroenke to negotiate in good faith. — Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021 Judge says he needs clear and convincing evidence that about 25 defendants operated in a fraudulent manner, and says he hasn't seen that. Says evidence is necessary to delve into individuals' finances. — Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021 STL attorney says they received relocation money. That's all we need to know. It was said in owners meeting STL would be harmed." — Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021 It was confirmed that the Arizona Cardinals voted against the Rams relocation. My sense is the Panthers were the other team that did. — Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021 Judge says preponderance of evidence exists against Mara, Kraft, Jones, Rooney...one other...for damages. Most NFL owners spared discovery of finances. — Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021 2 other nuggets: Jerry Jones admitted he urged Kroenke to move. Day after relocation vote, Rams signed contract w/ Jones Legends corp to sell PSL's and luxury boxes. — Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021 One quick correction: STL has the ability to investigate net worth of NFL, Goodell, Kroenke, Jones, Kraft, Mara, Richardson. They have 10 days to ask for right to investigate other owners. Apparently it's rare for a judge to rule from the bench, as he did for STL here. — Randy Karraker (@RandyKarraker) July 12, 2021 In today's more than 2-hour hearing that was not publicly docketed, Judge Chris McGraugh said St. Louis plaintiffs showed sufficient evidence to get financials from NFL, Kroenke, Rams, Commissioner Goodell and team owners Jones, Mara, Kraft and Richardson. Story TK @stltoday https://t.co/sDJG6LMNgV — Joel Currier (@joelcurrier) July 12, 2021 Correction. The judge did not list Goodell among those from whom St. Louis plaintiffs may get financial information. He mentioned Clark Hunt, owner of the KC Chiefs. @Ben_Fred https://t.co/bTnjbh9prn — Joel Currier (@joelcurrier) July 12, 2021
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