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Old 01-24-2023, 11:21 AM   #1
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There’s your proof the NFL loves refball. Cheffers is the absolute worst at taking over the game.

This is how ROG can steer outcomes w/o ever coming out and saying anything incriminating. Cheffers knows what the league wants, he delivers, he’s rewarded for it, other refs see that.
Exactly.

Let's set aside for the moment the fact that Cheffers seems to rat-**** us at every turn. We'll turn off the 'conspiracy' stuff for the sake of conversation.

Cheffers simply does more than any other official out there to determine outcomes.

Every single season Cheffers leads the league in flags and penalty yards. Like clockwork. He absolutely refuses to let the teams play and ruins the flow of these games. You rarely see a Cheffers game that he doesn't have a direct impact on.

He's absolutely the worst possible official for the Super Bowl because he's GOING to involve the zebras in it. He's going to create controversy.

And the league simply doesn't give a shit.

****ing hell that's irritating.
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Old 01-24-2023, 11:28 AM   #2
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Exactly.

Let's set aside for the moment the fact that Cheffers seems to rat-**** us at every turn. We'll turn off the 'conspiracy' stuff for the sake of conversation.

Cheffers simply does more than any other official out there to determine outcomes.

Every single season Cheffers leads the league in flags and penalty yards. Like clockwork. He absolutely refuses to let the teams play and ruins the flow of these games. You rarely see a Cheffers game that he doesn't have a direct impact on.

He's absolutely the worst possible official for the Super Bowl because he's GOING to involve the zebras in it. He's going to create controversy.

And the league simply doesn't give a shit.

****ing hell that's irritating.
I think they like the controversy. They want people going nuts over the calls. It drives engagement.

But mostly they want a close game. They want a ref that completely gifts the trailing team a drive, exactly like Cheffers did with Houston a few weeks ago. Compare some of the ticky tack calls that saved that Texans drive on multiple 3rd downs, with the way the playoff games have been called so far. You pretty much have to tackle a receiver to get a DPI in the postseason *usually*.

It was the same way in the 2020 playoffs. The refs totally swallowed their whistles. Then we got to the Super Bowl and any touch was a penalty, and sometimes we didn't even touch them. Anything that even looked like it could possibly be defensive holding or illegal contact was called in that first half.

They should have fired Cheffers after that Super Bowl. Instead they gave him the biggest accolade an NFL ref can get - another Super Bowl 2 years later. That tells you everything.

This is really disheartening. I thought for sure after the TB Super Bowl that at least Cheffers would be punished and not ref another SB for a long time, if ever. Instead it's exactly the opposite. You know every other ref sees this and realizes what the league wants, if they want to ref a Super Bowl.

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Old 01-24-2023, 11:35 AM   #3
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Exactly.

Let's set aside for the moment the fact that Cheffers seems to rat-**** us at every turn. We'll turn off the 'conspiracy' stuff for the sake of conversation.

Cheffers simply does more than any other official out there to determine outcomes.

Every single season Cheffers leads the league in flags and penalty yards. Like clockwork. He absolutely refuses to let the teams play and ruins the flow of these games. You rarely see a Cheffers game that he doesn't have a direct impact on.

He's absolutely the worst possible official for the Super Bowl because he's GOING to involve the zebras in it. He's going to create controversy.

And the league simply doesn't give a shit.

****ing hell that's irritating.
I'm hopeful the rest of the crew (which I think [hope] isn't the same crew as his normal one) will call a better game and it will just be Cheffers being a ****lehead.

I don't mind a lot of flags. There is a LOT of blatant shit that they let go in every game, and the really big ones, sure throw the flag, I won't bitch. But what really grinds my ****ing gears are 2 things.

1. Not calling it for both sides. How the **** can this be a thing?

2. Call ticky tack shit while letting blatant shit, out in the open, ****ing go.

GOD that shit pisses me the **** off.

I don't mind a lot of calls, if they're competent.
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Old 01-24-2023, 11:55 AM   #4
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I'm hopeful the rest of the crew (which I think [hope] isn't the same crew as his normal one) will call a better game and it will just be Cheffers being a ****lehead.

I don't mind a lot of flags. There is a LOT of blatant shit that they let go in every game, and the really big ones, sure throw the flag, I won't bitch. But what really grinds my ****ing gears are 2 things.

1. Not calling it for both sides. How the **** can this be a thing?

2. Call ticky tack shit while letting blatant shit, out in the open, ****ing go.

GOD that shit pisses me the **** off.

I don't mind a lot of calls, if they're competent.
The problem I have is when flags start flying out of proportion to norms.

The odds of two teams playing 18+ games in a season where they clearly demonstrate HOW they play and then suddenly in the playoffs becoming some undisciplined shit-show is just so damn remote.

They're going to play how they played all year. And if all season that yielded 7 flags a game then in the SB it yields 12...man, **** that. That's not a team that was committing more penalties, it's just a referee that's throwing more flags.

And yes, that's bad for the game.

These teams are what they are at this point. What 'could' be called but wasn't all season should have largely normalized over large numbers. And if suddenly all those 'could have been called but weren't' flags are being thrown, then the league has effectively altered the field on the fly. It simply creates bad football and an awful product.
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The problem I have is when flags start flying out of proportion to norms.

The odds of two teams playing 18+ games in a season where they clearly demonstrate HOW they play and then suddenly in the playoffs becoming some undisciplined shit-show is just so damn remote.

They're going to play how they played all year. And if all season that yielded 7 flags a game then in the SB it yields 12...man, **** that. That's not a team that was committing more penalties, it's just a referee that's throwing more flags.

And yes, that's bad for the game.

These teams are what they are at this point. What 'could' be called but wasn't all season should have largely normalized over large numbers. And if suddenly all those 'could have been called but weren't' flags are being thrown, then the league has effectively altered the field on the fly. It simply creates bad football and an awful product.
That's the part that I see. We see it in game threads all the time. The fewer flags that are thrown on either side, the better we like it. I suspect we've had times where we lost to the opponent on the penalty ledger, but we didn't complain because the penalty flags weren't constantly disrupting the game.

It's also a simple fact that the more flags you throw, the more likely it is that they'll be game-changing and/or controversial. The Cheffers crew doesn't understand that, and apparently the NFL doesn't either.
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There’s your proof the NFL loves refball. Cheffers is the absolute worst at taking over the game.

This is how ROG can steer outcomes w/o ever coming out and saying anything incriminating. Cheffers knows what the league wants, he delivers, he’s rewarded for it, other refs see that.
Quoting your post so it gets that many more views. That is EXACTLY how Tim Donaghy describes the real world rigging. You are 100% on point.
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There’s your proof the NFL loves refball. Cheffers is the absolute worst at taking over the game.

This is how ROG can steer outcomes w/o ever coming out and saying anything incriminating. Cheffers knows what the league wants, he delivers, he’s rewarded for it, other refs see that.
Utterly mind boggling that there are still some people who can’t understand this.

Two Super Bowls in 4 years for this turd. “BuT hE’s thE wOrsT, tHey aRe sO dUmB!”

No they’re not, but they think YOU are.
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The NFL obviously has no issue with how he calls games.
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The NFL obviously has no issue with how he calls games.
This is the most troubling bit of it.

I think they switch up crews, so the rest of the dudes/chicks aren't his normal dudes. So they could potentially not be as shitty, because only one dude will be throwing ****ery flags.

But the problem is they're rewarding this cum dumpster. With both notoriety and money.

Mother**** that shit.
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This is unbelievable! Seriously.

The WORST Ref in the league somehow lands the Superbowl?

This is a middle finger to the incredible fan base of the NFL.

The suspicion surrounding this guy and the league in general, especially with the legalized gambling adding to it, you would think they would choose a squeaky clean guy!

Instead they say, we know what everyone thinks but **** you. We dont care.

WOW...
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Has there been a ref who’s had more controversial calls than Cheffers? Just proves the league loves controlling the games via refs.
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