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Old 01-31-2023, 06:18 PM  
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3rd/4th and 1 Conversions
A lot was made in Sunday's AFC Championship game about the Chiefs inability to convert in 3rd & 1 and 4th & 1 scenarios. If I remember correctly Romo said the Chiefs are hovering around 50% in conversion percentage in these short yardage situations. The Chiefs are 2nd in the NFL at 48.7% in all 3rd down scenarios which makes it seem bizarre that Mahomes & company are not converting 3rd/4th and short with more regularity.

So I turn to the prolific armchair offensive coordinators of Chiefsplanet to answer these questions:

1. Why do you think the Chiefs struggle in these situations?
2. Any adjustments you would make vs Philly in the Superbowl?
3. Gun to your head, 4th & 1 in the Superbowl, what are you dialing up?
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Old 11-07-2023, 02:02 PM   #46
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The Chiefs are 2nd in the league on 3rd and 2 or longer and 27th in the league at 3rd and 1 or less.

Surprised they aren't dead last
This is why we need to start taking delay of game penalties on third and one.
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Old 11-07-2023, 02:24 PM   #47
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Pitch to Pacheco for an outside run. Pacheco's speed and anger against a lot less congestion.
I feel like this is what we do and it goes for a loss of 3 every time.
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Old 11-07-2023, 02:29 PM   #48
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No. You ****ing use Mahomes. When you put in Bell and then he shuffles into behind the center you have already lost any element of surprise and any ability to pass the ball.

Its so ****ing simple to solve. You QB sneak eith Mahomes...which is the safest play in football.
There's virtually ZERO question what the Eagles are going to do as well. And, yet, they convert at an absurd level. Bell should be that guy for us. If folks are really worried, he CAN throw the ball.
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Old 11-07-2023, 02:36 PM   #49
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I feel like this is what we do and it goes for a loss of 3 every time.
We ran this play on the 4th and short in the SB and the play design was never on tape. It was a 10+ yard gain.

I believe Andy has a play like this in the backlog for January
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There's virtually ZERO question what the Eagles are going to do as well. And, yet, they convert at an absurd level. Bell should be that guy for us. If folks are really worried, he CAN throw the ball.
I think that was Vince Lombardi's philosophy with the power sweep. There was no element of surprise at all, but he ran it because it couldn't be stopped.

For those of you too young to remember, Vince Lombardi and Bart Starr were a coach/quarterback combination that won almost as often as Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes II.
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Old 11-07-2023, 02:41 PM   #51
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Running the offense out of shotgun/RPO 95% of the time doesn't help matters.

IMO this is the main issue, esp when you supposedly have the NFL's best interior OL or at worst a top2-3 unit there.

When the offense lines up behind center in these situations, everyone and their mom knows whats coming. Thats part in reason why the Chiefs have to get cute when calling these plays.

It's really frustrating.
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Running the offense out of shotgun/RPO 95% of the time doesn't help matters.

IMO this is the main issue, esp when you supposedly have the NFL's best interior OL or at worst a top2-3 unit there.

When the offense lines up behind center in these situations, everyone and their mom knows whats coming. Thats part in reason why the Chiefs have to get cute when calling these plays.

It's really frustrating.
Our interior is good, but I don't know that we run-block very well 1-5, including the interior OL, when it's simply trying to get a forward push. THAT'S where you need the giants like OBJ.

I'd like to think we could fall forward for a yard, but that's simply not the case with our OL.
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Our interior is good, but I don't know that we run-block very well 1-5, including the interior OL, when it's simply trying to get a forward push. THAT'S where you need the giants like OBJ.

I'd like to think we could fall forward for a yard, but that's simply not the case with our OL.
If you can't get one stinking yard consistently by running down the middle, the O-Line isn't very good.
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Running the offense out of shotgun/RPO 95% of the time doesn't help matters.

IMO this is the main issue, esp when you supposedly have the NFL's best interior OL or at worst a top2-3 unit there.

When the offense lines up behind center in these situations, everyone and their mom knows whats coming. Thats part in reason why the Chiefs have to get cute when calling these plays.

It's really frustrating.
You shouldn't run your traditional offense from 3rd and 1 or 4th and 2. Just run everything from under center.
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If you can't get one stinking yard consistently by running down the middle, the O-Line isn't very good.
And that could be true. I think we have the guys to be a good PB OL (clean up the protections a bit, particularly vs stunts), but I'm not sure that's true with run blocking. It's a weakness that most on here were FINE with if it meant they could pass-block at a high level. Well, now that appears to be a reality, with the caveat that our pass-blocking hasn't been outstanding either.
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You shouldn't run your traditional offense from 3rd and 1 or 4th and 2.
Exactly. 3rd and 1 doesn't need to be outsmarting anyone, really. If we can't man-on-man move the pile a yard, we can still trap and down-block.

I KNOW Nagy et al. have considered ALL of this. I'm not sure why we haven't seen Bell under center either sneaking or giving to Pop.
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I'd really like one of these stat nerds to quantify how much win % we give up each game by turning 3rd/4th and 1 into 50% success rate, while the rest of the league is at 80-90%.
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