Look at the year Xavier Worthy could be having

[Mecca]

Posted one of these in another thread, felt like it deserved it's own.

There is a world where Xavier Worthy has 1,200+ yards and 10+ TDs as a rookie in Kansas City.

Just needed a little bit better QB play.... https://t.co/zbaic4KCG8

— Marcus Mosher (@Marcus_Mosher) December 19, 2024

I’m peeping #3 https://t.co/vJH5F7yRTs

— Conner Christopherson (@Conner_DKC) December 19, 2024

[Gary Cooper]

In Madden, he'd have to adjust his passing meter to "classic"

[RunKC]

Our weapons have not ****ing been better than Buffalo people.

Rice
Hollywood
Worthy
Pacheco

3 of our most explosive players gone for 85% or more this year. Pacheco has the same season snap total as Alligator boy and Mr Alligator ****ing sucks. Justin Watson had the most snaps at WR until 2 weeks ago. Those guys are not NFL starters and neither is Wanya Morris or Kingsley Suamatia at LT (at least this year)

And FFS guys I’m begging you to look at Hopkins, Kelce, Juju and Kareem without rose colored glasses. They’re not what they were 3 years ago. They’re old. They can’t beat man coverage very often and they aren’t superstars any longer.

They’re older declining players.

Tl;dr-Mahomes has never been sacked or hit more and all of his best weapons but a rookie WR were injured most of the season

[comochiefsfan]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

Plus, that may well have been Kelce’s best season. He was insane that year.

Kelce’s decline hurts, because he’s still getting a similar number of targets to years past. Problem is that each of those targets results in less production than before.

Hope he sticks it out for another year, but his workload needs to decrease.

Kelce has definitely lost a step, but the elephant in the room to me is that it looks like he hasn’t taken great care of his body either.

Being 35 has nothing to do with the gut that all of a sudden appeared this season. I get that he has other priorities in his life now, but I can’t help but wonder if his decline could’ve been tempered if he had hit the offseason a little harder.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Our weapons have not ****ing been better than Buffalo people.

Rice
Hollywood
Worthy
Pacheco

3 of our most explosive players gone for 85% or more this year. Pacheco has the same season snap total as Alligator boy and Mr Alligator ****ing sucks. Justin Watson had the most snaps at WR until 2 weeks ago. Those guys are not NFL starters and neither is Wanya Morris or Kingsley Suamatia at LT (at least this year)

And FFS guys I’m begging you to look at Hopkins, Kelce, Juju and Kareem without rose colored glasses. They’re not what they were 3 years ago. They’re old. They can’t beat man coverage very often and they aren’t superstars any longer.

They’re older declining players.

Tl;dr-Mahomes has never been sacked or hit more and all of his best weapons but a rookie WR were injured most of the season

Josh Allen's okay style is a huge part of his success. Because he plays like he's a ****ing RB you have to take guys out of coverage to defend that. If you don't he'll run all over you. Him becoming a top level passer mixed with his ability to run has made him a nearly undefendable player. They don't even need great weapons for their offense to work because of it.

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan

Kelce has definitely lost a step, but the elephant in the room to me is that it looks like he hasn’t taken great care of his body either.

Being 35 has nothing to do with the gut that all of a sudden appeared this season. I get that he has other priorities in his life now, but I can’t help but wonder if his decline could’ve been tempered if he had hit the offseason a little harder.

My wife and I said the same thing.

He does look heavy and less defined this year.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by DRM08

Allen has had a healthy Dion Dawkins his entire career. Dawkins is pretty damn good on the blind side and has managed to stay healthy for 99% of the games over the last 6+ years. When Josh drops back, it sure seems like he has plenty of time to throw. Mahomes has had 4 different dudes at LT this year and 6 of them in the last 3 years.

Yep. Good tackle play is more important than having a lot of weapons.

Not sure why people act like Allen has no weapons though. Kincaid and Knox are both very good TEs, Cooper is very good, Shakir is good, Coleman, Samuel, Hollins, Cook, Johnson...how is that a lack of weapons?

MVS contributed nothing in that offense. He was Mahomes' #2 the last two years, and his #1 in the '22 AFCC.

Allen has more than enough weapons, and time to find them.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

Yep. Good tackle play is more important than having a lot of weapons.

Not sure why people act like Allen has no weapons though. Kincaid and Knox are both very good TEs, Cooper is very good, Shakir is good, Coleman, Samuel, Hollins, Cook, Johnson...how is that a lack of weapons?

MVS contributed nothing in that offense. He was Mahomes' #2 the last two years, and his #1 in the '22 AFCC.

Allen has more than enough weapons, and time to find them.

Kelce and Gray > Kincaid and Knox
Hopkins (though we've limited him to 50% of snaps? < Shakir
Worthy > Coleman
Watson > Hollins
Juju = Samuels
Hunt and Pacheco < Cook and Johnson


How exactly are their skill positions players that much better than ours again? If Mahomes simply hit those open plays when he had an empty pocket, the entire offense would change.

Yes our LT play has been bad but it hasn't been bad enough to explain how much worse our offense is than theirs. Aside from when Kingsley played, it hasn't been any worse than when we had Cam Erving starting at LT for us and we averaged 30 in those games.

[kccrow]

He'd definitely be up over 900 if Patrick hit the shots that are wide ****ing open.

[Red Dawg]

OL has been garbage and we lost our two wrs. Can't judge him with all that. Also Travis has hit the wall. He looks massively tired and slow.

[-King-]

Mahomes also holds on to the ball slightly longer than Allen despite this huge LT problem. The issue is that Allen throws further down the field and is more aggressive with the ball and is willing to throw it to a WR and let them make a play on the ball while Mahomes waits until a WR is completely open to throw the ball. Mahomes is 3rd worst in the league at aggressive throws.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/p...aggressiveness

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by -King-

Kelce and Gray > Kincaid and Knox
Hopkins (though we've limited him to 50% of snaps? < Shakir
Worthy > Coleman
Watson > Hollins
Juju = Samuels
Hunt and Pacheco < Cook and Johnson


How exactly are their skill positions players that much better than ours again? If Mahomes simply hit those open plays when he had an empty pocket, the entire offense would change.

Yes our LT play has been bad but it hasn't been bad enough to explain how much worse our offense is than theirs. Aside from when Kingsley played, it hasn't been any worse than when we had Cam Erving starting at LT for us and we averaged 30 in those games.

Khalil Shakir has only 1 drop and is 3rd in the NFL is YAC. There’s no way anyone would take 32 year old Hopkins over him.

Watson isn’t very good. Neither is Hollins but I’d take Hollins to ceiling. And Juju is old and slow where as Samuels is not.

If Rice and Hollywood weren’t hurt then I’d take us but not what we’ve been running the last 3 months

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Yep, these are the wild mechanics scouts were worried about as a prospect.

He’s shown himself to be an elite QB because he’s able to stand in the pocket and deliver accurate throws to the right read more often than not. The special arm angles and extending plays is just the cherry on top. He really needs to get back to the basics.

Yep, Peyton Manning looked like a ****ing goober with his mechanics (and everything else he does in life) but Mahomes reminds me of that dude chucking up 3's all pigeon toed with the ball cocked off to the side of his head for style points that clanks off the rim

Its odd because he mentioned his shit mechanics earlier in the season but that EZ pass to Worthy last Sunday may have been the worst of the bunch

I'm still confident he gets it cleaned up when it matters

#notraitorpost

[-King-]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Khalil Shakir has only 1 drop and is 3rd in the NFL is YAC. There’s no way anyone would take 32 year old Hopkins over him.

Watson isn’t very good. Neither is Hollins but I’d take Hollins to ceiling. And Juju is old and slow where as Samuels is not.

If Rice and Hollywood weren’t hurt then I’d take us but not what we’ve been running the last 3 months

Yes that's why I put

Hopkins < Shakir

And Hollins isn't clearly better than Watson. And Samuels sucks now.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by -King-

Kelce and Gray > Kincaid and Knox
Hopkins (though we've limited him to 50% of snaps? < Shakir
Worthy > Coleman
Watson > Hollins
Juju = Samuels
Hunt and Pacheco < Cook and Johnson


How exactly are their skill positions players that much better than ours again? If Mahomes simply hit those open plays when he had an empty pocket, the entire offense would change.

Yes our LT play has been bad but it hasn't been bad enough to explain how much worse our offense is than theirs. Aside from when Kingsley played, it hasn't been any worse than when we had Cam Erving starting at LT for us and we averaged 30 in those games.

Did you forget Amari Cooper? Not listed in your post. He’s better than any receiver on the Chiefs roster.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by DRM08

Did you forget Amari Cooper? Not listed in your post. He’s better than any receiver on the Chiefs roster.

I did forget him. But aside from 1 or 2 games he hasn't been ok at best for the Bills and has been injured.