MU ***Official 2022-2023 Missouri Tigers Men's Basketball*** - Page 40

dlphg9 · 03-26-2022, 08:07 PM

Expecting big things boys!

Missouri got rid of crappy CM and the board went out and got one of the top coaches according to some in Cleveland State's Dennis Gates.

In 2 days he has 2 recruits

Top JUCO player 6' 10" Mohamed Diarra
Transport portal DeAndre Gholston who avg 15 pts at Milwaukee over the past 2 years

Very excited!

DJ's left nut · 03-09-2023, 10:35 AM

Of course Mizzou will get stuck on the 8/9 line.

Stuck behind a half dozen teams they beat. Oftentimes badly. I believe I saw that they're one of like 5 teams in the country with 5 Q1 wins and no Q2 or worse losses? The other 4 are all projected to be top 3 seeds. I think the last week grew that list by a little bit but we're still talking fewer than 10 teams with that many quality wins and ZERO bad losses on their resume this year.

But we've gotten so far up our own asses with this bracketology shit. Suddenly beating the 200th ranked team in the country hurts worse than beating the 100th ranked team in the country even though BOTH of those teams are gone to lose if you they play a quality opponent who doesn't step on its dick.

Once you get outside the top 100 you're multiplying by 0. They're all rummies but these goddamn Kenpom things want to pretend like there's a vast distinction there.

Mizzou's gonna get ****ed. They're going to get stuck in some brutal bracket where if they're LUCKY they manage to get a 2 seed in the 2nd round but in all probability they're just going to get steamrolled by a 1 seed instead of getting a legitimate shot to demonstrate that they're a genuine Sweet 16 caliber squad.

It's just horseshit.

**jjchieffan** · 03-09-2023, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Of course Mizzou will get stuck on the 8/9 line.

Stuck behind a half dozen teams they beat. Oftentimes badly. I believe I saw that they're one of like 5 teams in the country with 5 Q1 wins and no Q2 or worse losses? The other 4 are all projected to be top 3 seeds. I think the last week grew that list by a little bit but we're still talking fewer than 10 teams with that many quality wins and ZERO bad losses on their resume this year.

But we've gotten so far up our own asses with this bracketology shit. Suddenly beating the 200th ranked team in the country hurts worse than beating the 100th ranked team in the country even though BOTH of those teams are gone to lose if you they play a quality opponent who doesn't step on its dick.

Once you get outside the top 100 you're multiplying by 0. They're all rummies but these goddamn Kenpom things want to pretend like there's a vast distinction there.

Mizzou's gonna get ****ed. They're going to get stuck in some brutal bracket where if they're LUCKY they manage to get a 2 seed in the 2nd round but in all probability they're just going to get steamrolled by a 1 seed instead of getting a legitimate shot to demonstrate that they're a genuine Sweet 16 caliber squad.

It's just horseshit.

I agree. Mizzou finished with a better record than Tennessee and beat them, yet Mizzou is barely ranked at 25 and expected to be around an 8 seed, while the Vols are ranked 17 and still expected to be a 3 or 4 seed. Crazy. I'm hoping that the Tigers can win a couple of games in the SEC tournament and move up. But short of winning it, they likely won't move above 6. If they get the Vols in the SEC tournament and beat them again and still get a lower seed than them, that's gonna be a bunch of crap

tredadda · 03-09-2023, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

I agree. Mizzou finished with a better record than Tennessee and beat them, yet Mizzou is barely ranked at 25 and expected to be around an 8 seed, while the Vols are ranked 17 and still expected to be a 3 or 4 seed. Crazy. I'm hoping that the Tigers can win a couple of games in the SEC tournament and move up. But short of winning it, they likely won't move above 6. If they get the Vols in the SEC tournament and beat them again and still get a lower seed than them, that's gonna be a bunch of crap

Not a huge college basketball fan, but if they are currently ranked 25th, why would they be an 8 seed? With four brackets that would translate to ~ 6 seed. Again forgive my ignorance on this but how would teams ranked below them get a higher seed than them?

ChiefsCountry · 03-09-2023, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Of course Mizzou will get stuck on the 8/9 line.

Stuck behind a half dozen teams they beat. Oftentimes badly. I believe I saw that they're one of like 5 teams in the country with 5 Q1 wins and no Q2 or worse losses? The other 4 are all projected to be top 3 seeds. I think the last week grew that list by a little bit but we're still talking fewer than 10 teams with that many quality wins and ZERO bad losses on their resume this year.

But we've gotten so far up our own asses with this bracketology shit. Suddenly beating the 200th ranked team in the country hurts worse than beating the 100th ranked team in the country even though BOTH of those teams are gone to lose if you they play a quality opponent who doesn't step on its dick.

Once you get outside the top 100 you're multiplying by 0. They're all rummies but these goddamn Kenpom things want to pretend like there's a vast distinction there.

Mizzou's gonna get ****ed. They're going to get stuck in some brutal bracket where if they're LUCKY they manage to get a 2 seed in the 2nd round but in all probability they're just going to get steamrolled by a 1 seed instead of getting a legitimate shot to demonstrate that they're a genuine Sweet 16 caliber squad.

It's just horseshit.

Mizzou's non conference schedule made Bill Snyder blush. They also had to have a buzzer beater to knock off UCF and Wichita State went all Nick Anderson. Not to mention KU boat racing them in Columbia. That's why you are an 8th seed.

**jjchieffan** · 03-09-2023, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda

Not a huge college basketball fan, but if they are currently ranked 25th, why would they be an 8 seed? With four brackets that would translate to ~ 6 seed. Again forgive my ignorance on this but how would teams ranked below them get a higher seed than them?

You would think so. And I'm hoping for a 6 or better. But most bracket projections are inexplicably placing them as an 8 seed, give or take a spot. It makes no sense. Just like the Tennessee ranking that I talked about. They should not be ranked higher. But, those rankings are based on polls, so I guess that since Mizzou is in year one with Gates and being a good team, the poll voters aren't giving them any credit for what they've accomplished.

**jjchieffan** · 03-09-2023, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Mizzou's non conference schedule made Bill Snyder blush. They also had to have a buzzer beater to knock off UCF and Wichita State went all Nick Anderson. Not to mention KU boat racing them in Columbia. That's why you are an 8th seed.

Yeah. They did get handled by the Gheyhawks. The Aggies and Auburn beat them pretty good too. But they beat Illinois and Kentucky by double digits and had a total of 5 Q1 wins. So it's not like they did poorly outside of that non conference schedule. I just think that an 8 seed is a big middle finger to the Tigers.

jettio · 03-09-2023, 11:59 AM

Mizzou is #4 seed in SEC and would likely face #5 seed Tennessee in quarterfinal.

If Mizzou wins that game, I would expect # 6 seed. Mizzou has an opportunity to improve their seeding in tournament but has to earn it.

raybec 4 · 03-09-2023, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

Yeah. They did get handled by the Gheyhawks. The Aggies and Auburn beat them pretty good too. But they beat Illinois and Kentucky by double digits and had a total of 5 Q1 wins. So it's not like they did poorly outside of that non conference schedule. I just think that an 8 seed is a big middle finger to the Tigers.

If they make a deep run in the SEC tournament they have to get at least a 6.

Rams Fan · 03-09-2023, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4

If they make a deep run in the SEC tournament they have to get at least a 6.

That would be false. These conference tournaments don't mean shit aside from teams that steal bids.

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DJ's left nut · 03-09-2023, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Mizzou's non conference schedule made Bill Snyder blush. They also had to have a buzzer beater to knock off UCF and Wichita State went all Nick Anderson. Not to mention KU boat racing them in Columbia. That's why you are an 8th seed.

Again - who cares?

Beating the 100th team in the country and beating the 200th team in the country is little more than mathmatical masturbation. They're both bad basketball teams.

Y'all wanna act like there's some significant distinction between beeting Colorado State and Howard because of how they ranked. There isn't. Neither of those teams are going to beat a quality opponent when the opponent plays well and both of those teams CAN beat a quality opponent if they don't.

It's a distinction without a difference. It's multiplying by zero.

And every team has some 'phew' wins on their record - they balance out in the wash.

I'm not saying they should be a 3 seed. But that's a team that should be no worse than sitting between a 6/7 based on the quality of their wins and lack of losses to poor opponents. The rest is just jerking off to spreadsheets.

DJ's left nut · 03-09-2023, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jettio

Mizzou is #4 seed in SEC and would likely face #5 seed Tennessee in quarterfinal.

If Mizzou wins that game, I would expect # 6 seed. Mizzou has an opportunity to improve their seeding in tournament but has to earn it.

Again - Mizzou continues to beat teams, and BADLY, only to see those teams barely budge in the rankings while Mizzou gets virtually zero credit for the win.

That doesn't wash. You can't say "Oh well sure, Iowa St got boat raced by Mizzou, but that's a quality team so we'll move them from 9th to 12th..." then on the flipside say "eh, Mizzou was 38th, we'll move 'em to 36th..."

That seems to put very little 'quality' in the opponent.

This just isn't ratcheting both ways for Mizzou.

Pitt Gorilla · 03-09-2023, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Of course Mizzou will get stuck on the 8/9 line.

Stuck behind a half dozen teams they beat. Oftentimes badly. I believe I saw that they're one of like 5 teams in the country with 5 Q1 wins and no Q2 or worse losses? The other 4 are all projected to be top 3 seeds. I think the last week grew that list by a little bit but we're still talking fewer than 10 teams with that many quality wins and ZERO bad losses on their resume this year.

But we've gotten so far up our own asses with this bracketology shit. Suddenly beating the 200th ranked team in the country hurts worse than beating the 100th ranked team in the country even though BOTH of those teams are gone to lose if you they play a quality opponent who doesn't step on its dick.

Once you get outside the top 100 you're multiplying by 0. They're all rummies but these goddamn Kenpom things want to pretend like there's a vast distinction there.

Mizzou's gonna get ****ed. They're going to get stuck in some brutal bracket where if they're LUCKY they manage to get a 2 seed in the 2nd round but in all probability they're just going to get steamrolled by a 1 seed instead of getting a legitimate shot to demonstrate that they're a genuine Sweet 16 caliber squad.

It's just horseshit.

All of this is true.

ChiefsCountry · 03-09-2023, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Again - who cares?

Beating the 100th team in the country and beating the 200th team in the country is little more than mathmatical masturbation. They're both bad basketball teams.

Y'all wanna act like there's some significant distinction between beeting Colorado State and Howard because of how they ranked. There isn't. Neither of those teams are going to beat a quality opponent when the opponent plays well and both of those teams CAN beat a quality opponent if they don't.

It's a distinction without a difference. It's multiplying by zero.

And every team has some 'phew' wins on their record - they balance out in the wash.

I'm not saying they should be a 3 seed. But that's a team that should be no worse than sitting between a 6/7 based on the quality of their wins and lack of losses to poor opponents. The rest is just jerking off to spreadsheets.

There is still a big difference between a UCF or Wichita State who is about 100 compared to Lindenwood, SEMO, Houston Baptist, Southern Indiana, Mississippi Valley State who around 300.

Mizzou is also 5-8 in Quad 1. Tennessee is 7-6. Tennessee has played a tougher schedule.

dlphg9 · 03-09-2023, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

There is still a big difference between a UCF or Wichita State who is about 100 compared to Lindenwood, SEMO, Houston Baptist, Southern Indiana, Mississippi Valley State who around 300.

Mizzou is also 5-8 in Quad 1. Tennessee is 7-6. Tennessee has played a tougher schedule.

2 more quad 1 wins, but a head to head loss, is enough for yhat team to be a 3 seed and the other to be an 8? Tennessee is also 3-3 in Quad 2 and Missouri is 4-0 in Quad 2.

Liberty is ranked higher in NET. They're 23-8

0-3 Quad 1
1-2 Quad 2
6-3 Quad 3
16-0 Quad 4

How in the hell is that better than Mizzou?

dlphg9 · 03-09-2023, 03:56 PM

Missouri is 49th in NET rankings
23-8 record
Quad 1 5-8
Quad 2 4-0
Quad 3 6-0
Quad 4 8-0

Illinois is 33rd in NET rankings
20-11 record
Quad 1 2-10
Quad 2 7-1
Quad 3 4-0
Quad 4 7-0
Loss head to head to Mizzou

How the hell is Illinois 16 spots ahead of Missouri?

The whole system makes absolutely 0 sense. It's ****ing dumb.

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DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $2689099	Of course Mizzou will get stuck on the 8/9 line. Stuck behind a half dozen teams they beat. Oftentimes badly. I believe I saw that they're one of like 5 teams in the country with 5 Q1 wins and no Q2 or worse losses? The other 4 are all projected to be top 3 seeds. I think the last week grew that list by a little bit but we're still talking fewer than 10 teams with that many quality wins and ZERO bad losses on their resume this year. But we've gotten so far up our own asses with this bracketology shit. Suddenly beating the 200th ranked team in the country hurts worse than beating the 100th ranked team in the country even though BOTH of those teams are gone to lose if you they play a quality opponent who doesn't step on its dick. Once you get outside the top 100 you're multiplying by 0. They're all rummies but these goddamn Kenpom things want to pretend like there's a vast distinction there. Mizzou's gonna get ****ed. They're going to get stuck in some brutal bracket where if they're LUCKY they manage to get a 2 seed in the 2nd round but in all probability they're just going to get steamrolled by a 1 seed instead of getting a legitimate shot to demonstrate that they're a genuine Sweet 16 caliber squad. It's just horseshit. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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03-09-2023, 11:59 AM	#592
jettio MVP Join Date: Sep 2002 Casino cash: $4924930	Mizzou is #4 seed in SEC and would likely face #5 seed Tennessee in quarterfinal. If Mizzou wins that game, I would expect # 6 seed. Mizzou has an opportunity to improve their seeding in tournament but has to earn it. __________________ Where Ignorance is Bliss, 'Tis Folly to be Wise. __
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03-09-2023, 03:56 PM	#600
dlphg9 MVP Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $1889653	Missouri is 49th in NET rankings 23-8 record Quad 1 5-8 Quad 2 4-0 Quad 3 6-0 Quad 4 8-0 Illinois is 33rd in NET rankings 20-11 record Quad 1 2-10 Quad 2 7-1 Quad 3 4-0 Quad 4 7-0 Loss head to head to Mizzou How the hell is Illinois 16 spots ahead of Missouri? The whole system makes absolutely 0 sense. It's ****ing dumb.
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