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Old 01-16-2020, 09:14 AM  
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Lamar Jackson wasn't, isn't, and never will be better than Patrick Mahomes
This "Lamar Jackson is in the same league as Mahomes" nonsense on every football related show I see needs to stop.

Lamar Jackson, on the biggest stage, has now shit down his leg in both opportunities. Lamar is a player who has to have everything around him working perfectly to have success. Put him down 2 scores and ask him to carry the team, he cannot answer the bell.

There's a big difference between a running quarterback, and a quarterback who can run. Lamar Jackson and The Ravens ran 88 plays and put up 12 points.

Jackson attempted 59 passes, only threw one touchdown, but also threw two picks and lost a fumble. 12 points on 59 pass attempts should tell you all you need to know about Lamar as a QB when the lights are the brightest.

Nobody would bat an eye if before the game, soneone told us Pat would put the ball up 59 times. Matter of fact, id be pretty excited to see how many points and yards he would put up in that span of plays.

When things got bad for both QBs, you saw the odds on favorite to win the MVP this year get visible frustrated, press, and ultimately fold. He was nowhere to be seen trying to work out what was happening, rallying his team, he simply pouted on the sideline as his team fell further behind.

The reigning MVP had literally no quit. Its one thing to say after the fact, that we had faith all along, its quite another for that to be true.

Down 24, think about that for a moment. 24. Mahomes is captured, in that moment on the sideline saying we have everything we want. Everyones already counted us the **** out, so go do something special.

Then, to walk the walk after talking the talk, leading the team to 7 straight touchdowns and 8 scoring drives, throwing 5 touchdown passes, and displaying a fiery emotion that if you dont feel anything when you see this kid going nuts after a huge play, call the coroner, because youre already dead.

The two qbs could not be further apart. Jackson cannot hold Mahomes jock when it comes to putting the team on his back.

Lamar should consider signing with KC as a running back. Its the only way barring injury to Mahomes, that hes ever getting a ring.

Mahomes is the MVP. Its not even close. Lamar is a running back executing the halfback pass play about 20-25 times a game.

Jacksons first two years have ended with dud playoff performances.

Mahomes first two years as a starter sees his team hosting back to back AFC title games for a frachise that in its entire history never hosted a single one before he arrived.
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Old 09-10-2022, 12:21 PM   #586
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He won the MVP in 2019 and hasn't come close to that year since. The league adjusted and he never will have another year like that. His numbers have regressed every year since. That's what should carry the most weight.


"He won the MVP in 2018 and hasn't come close to that year since. The league adjusted and he never will have another year like that. His numbers have regressed every year since. That's what should carry the most weight"

Similar criticism could be made about Mahomes.
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Old 09-10-2022, 12:50 PM   #587
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"He won the MVP in 2018 and hasn't come close to that year since. The league adjusted and he never will have another year like that. His numbers have regressed every year since. That's what should carry the most weight"

Similar criticism could be made about Mahomes.
Well, since his MVP year, Mahomes has won a Superbowl, taken his team to another Superbowl, and 3 straight championship games. What exactly has Lamar Jackoff done since his MVP season to deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Mahomes??
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"He won the MVP in 2018 and hasn't come close to that year since. The league adjusted and he never will have another year like that. His numbers have regressed every year since. That's what should carry the most weight"

Similar criticism could be made about Mahomes.
After that he won a SB, made another SB while being voted to his 2nd All-Pro team
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Old 09-10-2022, 04:00 PM   #591
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"He won the MVP in 2018 and hasn't come close to that year since. The league adjusted and he never will have another year like that. His numbers have regressed every year since. That's what should carry the most weight"

Similar criticism could be made about Mahomes.
Mahomes' seasons are a lot more similar to 2018, than Lamar's are to his 2019...

And as another poster said, we went to two superbowls, and also three straight AFC championship games....

Lamar isn't even a good quarterback anymore, hes a gimmick QB that harbaugh has completely shifted his system for. He's so bad, and harbaugh knows it. Reminds me of his brother and the kaepernick situation except Harbaugh ran before Kaepernick could fall apart like Lamar.
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"He won the MVP in 2018 and hasn't come close to that year since. The league adjusted and he never will have another year like that. His numbers have regressed every year since. That's what should carry the most weight"

Similar criticism could be made about Mahomes.
Good lord that's an awful comparison. Literally the only one dumb enough to think that is knowmo and he's hid from the board in those years frightened of Pat.
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"He won the MVP in 2018 and hasn't come close to that year since. The league adjusted and he never will have another year like that. His numbers have regressed every year since. That's what should carry the most weight"

Similar criticism could be made about Mahomes.
Maybe, if Lamar had made it to four straight home AFC championship games.
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Old 09-11-2022, 09:14 AM   #596
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They'd be smart to do that at this point, but that's assuming someone wants to take him and his contract demands on.
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Well, since his MVP year, Mahomes has won a Superbowl, taken his team to another Superbowl, and 3 straight championship games. What exactly has Lamar Jackoff done since his MVP season to deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Mahomes??

He had a really good 2020 and had the Ravens in contention for the #1 seed in 2021 despite basically the entire roster being on IR.

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Mahomes' seasons are a lot more similar to 2018, than Lamar's are to his 2019...



And as another poster said, we went to two superbowls, and also three straight AFC championship games....



Lamar isn't even a good quarterback anymore, hes a gimmick QB that harbaugh has completely shifted his system for. He's so bad, and harbaugh knows it. Reminds me of his brother and the kaepernick situation except Harbaugh ran before Kaepernick could fall apart like Lamar.

Jackson's 2020 was actually really good.

And I don't like comparing team accomplishments. You can argue against his lack of postseason success, but in the regular season he's got one of the highest winning percentages of all-time.

His style of play is highly conducive to winning regular season football games and he is a great football player. His deficiencies throwing the ball are certainly a limiting factor on the team's postseason potential, but they could do a lot worse.

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After that he won a SB, made another SB while being voted to his 2nd All-Pro team

Mahomes is better than Jackson, for sure.

That SB was great, but we all know it takes a LOT of luck in order to get that.

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Maybe, if Lamar had made it to four straight home AFC championship games.

Pat has played a huge role in our recent success, but perhaps if Lamar had Reid coaching him with Kelce and Hill to throw to he may have enjoyed more success.

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Good lord that's an awful comparison. Literally the only one dumb enough to think that is knowmo and he's hid from the board in those years frightened of Pat.

I've seen people (idiots) make that statement many times.

Objectively speaking, it is actually true.
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I can understand him asking for more than Deshaun. Deshaun is guilty of sexual assault and hasn’t played in what, 18 months? And Lamar has won an MVP

I’m not saying he is worth more, but I can see why in his head he feels he deserves more

I can also understand Baltimore not wanting to give it to him
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I can't get to the place where I think Lamar is anywhere as good of a QB as Mahomes is. He's not even close to having the vision, touch, or ability to read defenses. Andy may well have been able to coax more out of him, but there is just no way he'll ever be what Mahomes is. He's phenomenal athlete that's a pretty decent QB, and that's ok. He's just not that upper echelon of QB.
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I overheard someone on the radio arguing Lamar Jackson vs Michael Vick. Which I thought was a crazy argument. Michael Vick had a ****ing cannon. He was also just as electric if not more electric than Jackson as a runner. If Andy Reid had Vick from the start of his career and the dog thing never happened, he could've really turned him into a monster. We saw glimpses of it.
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