Chiefs Alex Smith's 2nd year looks alot like Trent Green's 2nd yr w/Chiefs - Page 41

cmh6476 · 12-30-2014, 11:06 AM

stat-wise and Because we are the Chiefs and DKTM

Trent Green 2002 (32 years old)
287/470 - 61.1% 3,690 yards 26 TDs 13 INTs

Alex Smith 2014 (30 years old)
303/464 - 65.3% 3,265 yards 18 TDs 6 INTs

Well sans the TDs but Green only had 17 in 2001 and Smith had 23 in 2013.

Hootie · 01-01-2015, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

A question for you, Hootie-where do you think the Colts would be with Alex Smith? Certainly not in the playoffs, not in my opinion.

The Texans finished 9-7, 2 games behind Indy. Without Luck, there's no way we win the division.

No idea.

The Texans beat Buffalo with EJ Manuel and the Ravens when Flacco started the game like 4 - 30

2 wins against teams with winning records.

Buffalo
Baltimore

The AFC South is a joke.

Luck beat :

Baltimore
Houston X 2
Cincy

The entire division's best quality wins were Indy/Hou over Baltimore and Tennessee over KC (week 1)

It's ****ing pathetic.

Alex Smith's team with Alex Smith starting beat Tom Brady, Phil Rivers, Russell Wilson, Buffalo with Orton, and Miami.

That includes Buffalo, San Diego and Miami all on the road.

Luck had 1 road win against a winning team this year (Houston).

I fail to see a reason why I should be impressed with Andrew Luck in 2014 and why I think he's worth 3 more wins than Alex Smith when all of his shortcomings would still be an issue in KC.

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Hammock Parties · 01-01-2015, 03:04 PM

Things would be easier for him in KC, though. Puzzling that you can't see that.

Hootie · 01-01-2015, 03:06 PM

and if your whole premise is

"If Luck was in KC with Jamaal Charles, that would help!"

Well sure ... if Andrew Luck didn't have to throw the ball as much because our OL can't pass block and we relied on Jamaal Charles and the short passing game because our receivers can't take the top off of the defense ...

I am positive Andrew Luck wouldn't have 24 turnovers.

However, wouldn't that just be Andrew Luck running the Alex Smith offense?

Andrew Luck is very talented. He'd run Reid's system better than Alex Smith.

3 wins better than Smith?

No, I don't think so.

In fact, we should have won 11 or 12 games with Smith this year anyways, but the ball bounces funny sometimes.

I stick with my assessment that right now, in 2014, Andrew Luck is worth 1 - 1.5 more wins for a team than Alex Smith. They excel at different aspects of QB'ing.

Luck clearly has more god given ability.

Hammock Parties · 01-01-2015, 03:07 PM

And the defense. Having a top 5 defense would help Luck tremendously.

Hammock Parties · 01-01-2015, 03:08 PM

To say we wouldn't have beaten Arizona, Oakland and San Fran with Luck...

Come on, man.

O.city · 01-01-2015, 03:09 PM

While we probably would have beaten those teams, we might also have lost to someone else because of a turnover of something.

Luck is obviously better, but he still makes alot of mistakes he probably shouldn't be

Hootie · 01-01-2015, 03:09 PM

the Chiefs are going to win 9 - 12 games next year with Smith at QB.

This year, the Chiefs weren't competitive in two games: Week 1 against Tennessee and week 14 against Denver.

we have a lot of picks to shore up our team next year and I assume with an easier schedule and better players we are geared towards competing next year, albeit with a limited QB (as we've all seen)

before the season started I assumed we were going to be better this year than we were last year with less wins

7-3 got everyone's hopes up but we were always a flawed team; a makeshift line, no deep threat, several key injuries, and QB play that wasn't good enough in the 3rd quarter of the season

I will predict right now that when we're 7-3 after 10 games next year, the whole board will be still debating this silly issue and I'll still be tired of it.

In fact, I'm penalizing myself the rest of the day. I'm not talking any more Andrew Luck or Alex Smith until Wild Card weekend completes itself.

It's exhausting.

**hometeam** · 01-01-2015, 03:16 PM

So wait. The guy that ran the #1 passing O, sucks.

But the guy who ran the last place passing O, is good.

Is that was this thread is?

Hootie · 01-01-2015, 03:18 PM

and that's why football talk on this forum is moronic

I sat there and posted an hour worth of fact based posts, with hypotheticals and explained my thought process and reasoning

and people conclude that I think

Andrew Luck sucks and Alex Smith is good.

****ing morons.

Hoopsdoc · 01-01-2015, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

No idea.

The Texans beat Buffalo with EJ Manuel and the Ravens when Flacco started the game like 4 - 30

2 wins against teams with winning records.

Buffalo
Baltimore

The AFC South is a joke.

Luck beat :

Baltimore
Houston X 2
Cincy

The entire division's best quality wins were Indy/Hou over Baltimore and Tennessee over KC (week 1)

It's ****ing pathetic.

Alex Smith's team with Alex Smith starting beat Tom Brady, Phil Rivers, Russell Wilson, Buffalo with Orton, and Miami.

That includes Buffalo, San Diego and Miami all on the road.

Luck had 1 road win against a winning team this year (Houston).

I fail to see a reason why I should be impressed with Andrew Luck in 2014 and why I think he's worth 3 more wins than Alex Smith when all of his shortcomings would still be an issue in KC.

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The AFC South is a joke, no question about it.

The Colts are a terribly flawed team though. They have maybe 3 decent pieces on defense-Vontae Davis, Jerrell Freeman and an aging Cory Redding. Outside of them, they may not have a legitimate NFL starter.

The offensive line has one guy who started every game. The LT Costanzo. The rest of the line has been a revolving door of injuries and curious coaches decisions. Reggie Wayne has been hurt on top of being washed up. Trent Richardson is permanently stuck in concrete. Moncrief has shown flashes but is to inconsistent. Dwayne Allen is good but he's been hurt too. Hilton and Fleener have been Lucks only consistent weapons and consequently, other teams game plan on that.

All of that makes Lucks job much MUCH tougher. The fact that he's had such a good season is a testament to how good he really is.

Hootie · 01-01-2015, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

The AFC South is a joke, no question about it.

The Colts are a terribly flawed team though. They have maybe 3 decent pieces on defense-Vontae Davis, Jerrell Freeman and an aging Cory Redding. Outside of them, they may not have a legitimate NFL starter.

The offensive line has one guy who started every game. The LT Costanzo. The rest of the line has been a revolving door of injuries and curious coaches decisions. Reggie Wayne has been hurt on top of being washed up. Trent Richardson is permanently stuck in concrete. Moncrief has shown flashes but is to inconsistent. Dwayne Allen is good but he's been hurt too. Hilton and Fleener have been Lucks only consistent weapons and consequently, other teams game plan on that.

All of that makes Lucks job much MUCH tougher. The fact that he's had such a good season is a testament to how good he really is.

Thanks for the debate. I agree with most of your points. Good luck to your Colts on Sunday.

**Easy 6** · 01-01-2015, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

No idea.

The Texans beat Buffalo with EJ Manuel and the Ravens when Flacco started the game like 4 - 30

2 wins against teams with winning records.

Buffalo
Baltimore

The AFC South is a joke.

Luck beat :

Baltimore
Houston X 2
Cincy

The entire division's best quality wins were Indy/Hou over Baltimore and Tennessee over KC (week 1)

It's ****ing pathetic.

Alex Smith's team with Alex Smith starting beat Tom Brady, Phil Rivers, Russell Wilson, Buffalo with Orton, and Miami.

That includes Buffalo, San Diego and Miami all on the road.

Luck had 1 road win against a winning team this year (Houston).

I fail to see a reason why I should be impressed with Andrew Luck in 2014 and why I think he's worth 3 more wins than Alex Smith when all of his shortcomings would still be an issue in KC.

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While your take on Luck is shortsighted, you make a nice case for Smith and the competition we faced this year compared to guys like Luck etc.

I'm still ready to move on from Smith, but you do make a good point on his behalf and for those of us that used to have his back.... some of these other divisions had some reeeal shit competition.

**hometeam** · 01-01-2015, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

and that's why football talk on this forum is moronic

I sat there and posted an hour worth of fact based posts, with hypotheticals and explained my thought process and reasoning

and people conclude that I think

Andrew Luck sucks and Alex Smith is good.

****ing morons.

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**DaneMcCloud** · 01-01-2015, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Count Alex's Losses

To say we wouldn't have beaten Arizona, Oakland and San Fran with Luck...

Come on, man.

I think it's far from a certainty, given Andy's play calling in those game.

**Bowser** · 01-01-2015, 03:34 PM

A little late, but let me just pop in and say that Carl and Herm did Trent dirty not bringing him back in '07. Carl went cheap ass to get LJ signed and Herm should have never ****ed with the offense. That is all.

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cmh6476 Keep Camp Home! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: St Joe MO Casino cash: $-853723	Alex Smith's 2nd year looks alot like Trent Green's 2nd yr w/Chiefs stat-wise and Because we are the Chiefs and DKTM Trent Green 2002 (32 years old) 287/470 - 61.1% 3,690 yards 26 TDs 13 INTs Alex Smith 2014 (30 years old) 303/464 - 65.3% 3,265 yards 18 TDs 6 INTs Well sans the TDs but Green only had 17 in 2001 and Smith had 23 in 2013.
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Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $990478	Things would be easier for him in KC, though. Puzzling that you can't see that. __________________ Chiefs game films
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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	and if your whole premise is "If Luck was in KC with Jamaal Charles, that would help!" Well sure ... if Andrew Luck didn't have to throw the ball as much because our OL can't pass block and we relied on Jamaal Charles and the short passing game because our receivers can't take the top off of the defense ... I am positive Andrew Luck wouldn't have 24 turnovers. However, wouldn't that just be Andrew Luck running the Alex Smith offense? Andrew Luck is very talented. He'd run Reid's system better than Alex Smith. 3 wins better than Smith? No, I don't think so. In fact, we should have won 11 or 12 games with Smith this year anyways, but the ball bounces funny sometimes. I stick with my assessment that right now, in 2014, Andrew Luck is worth 1 - 1.5 more wins for a team than Alex Smith. They excel at different aspects of QB'ing. Luck clearly has more god given ability.
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Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $990478	And the defense. Having a top 5 defense would help Luck tremendously. __________________ Chiefs game films
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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	the Chiefs are going to win 9 - 12 games next year with Smith at QB. This year, the Chiefs weren't competitive in two games: Week 1 against Tennessee and week 14 against Denver. we have a lot of picks to shore up our team next year and I assume with an easier schedule and better players we are geared towards competing next year, albeit with a limited QB (as we've all seen) before the season started I assumed we were going to be better this year than we were last year with less wins 7-3 got everyone's hopes up but we were always a flawed team; a makeshift line, no deep threat, several key injuries, and QB play that wasn't good enough in the 3rd quarter of the season I will predict right now that when we're 7-3 after 10 games next year, the whole board will be still debating this silly issue and I'll still be tired of it. In fact, I'm penalizing myself the rest of the day. I'm not talking any more Andrew Luck or Alex Smith until Wild Card weekend completes itself. It's exhausting.
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hometeam Supporter Join Date: Jul 2011 Casino cash: $1601956	So wait. The guy that ran the #1 passing O, sucks. But the guy who ran the last place passing O, is good. Is that was this thread is?
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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	and that's why football talk on this forum is moronic I sat there and posted an hour worth of fact based posts, with hypotheticals and explained my thought process and reasoning and people conclude that I think Andrew Luck sucks and Alex Smith is good. ****ing morons.
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