***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[LiveSteam]

I wanna know what and how we punish China for this?

[displacedinMN]

This woman needs to go away

BROOKLYN PARK, Minn. — Kennedy Klick was having a dream season with the DeLaSalle girls basketball team. Cruising through to the Class 3A State title game.

"Out of nowhere we all just started getting texts," Kennedy recalls. "From different friends and teachers telling us the games were canceled."

Canceled. Like nearly every other sporting event -- as the coronavirus continues to bring the world to a standstill.

"I kind of felt crushed," Kennedy says.

"It's just, like, this empty feeling for all of them," said Kennedy's mother Betsy Klick-Towah.

So Betsy took matters into her own hands. She started a change.org petition to get the Minnesota State High school league to consider postponing the games instead of cancelling them.

"I think the leadership and the precautions that we're taking is all great," said Betsy. "I think just having a date or saying that it's postponed right now would just make things better for everyone."

Erich Martens is the MSHSL Executive director. As a parent and former high school coach, he said he understand how difficult this is to deal with for families of high school athletes.

"I know the connection. The deep relationships that are built," said Martens. "The buy-in and desire to have this experience to last as long as it can."

Any closure will likely have a number of hurdles to overcome. Things like seniors going to college, getting enough time for practices if and when they could re-start and how to handle multisport athletes.

"Now our spring sports are really on hold for a certain amount of time," said Martens. "So to think about going back and redoing and trying to fit that back together is something that we're not considering at this time. But should things happen faster or we come back together, we always look at the newest situations and try to make the best decisions,"

The Klick's know it's a long shot, but they also know a shot won't go in unless you take it.

"We just want some hope," says Klick-Towah.

[Discuss Thrower]

All that needs to said on stock buybacks.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

All that needs to said on stock buybacks.

Some dudes blog post. All that needs to be said?

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Some dudes blog post. All that needs to be said?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

Looks like we're going to surpass France shortly.

On a total cases per million people we are not even remotely close to France right now.

[petegz28]

Right now cases per million people

Italy = 591
France = 118
United States = 23

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Right now cases per million people

Italy = 591
France = 118
United States = 23

Not remotely accurate. Those countries are actually testing where the US barely is.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by displacedinMN

This woman needs to go away

lots people who play sports life’s and dreams are being crushed right now. Go talk to the men’s KU BB team. Students like 007’s son aren’t even getting graduation ceremonies. Schools are being canceled. Etc. yes, she needs to shut up

[displacedinMN]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

lots people who play sports life’s and dreams are being crushed right now. Go talk to the men’s KU BB team. Students like 007’s son aren’t even getting graduation ceremonies. Schools are being canceled. Etc. yes, she needs to shut up

Give KU the trophy. They were #1.
Same with NWMO mens bball.

Every sports recruiter in the world understands what is happening. She is not.

Buy your kid a trophy and move on.

[O.city]

My interview with one of America’s leading public health experts. Important observations and insights from ⁦@ScottGottliebMD⁩ https://t.co/Yr95Bicl1L

— Jacob Heilbrunn (@JacobHeilbrunn) March 18, 2020

Pretty good breakdown.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by penguinz

Not remotely accurate. Those countries are actually testing where the US barely is.

So somehow 7000 cases in France is not the same as 7000 cases here?

Bases on what you are saying our number of cases would have to increase almost 6 times to get to the same cases\per million people as France.

They have 7000+ cases
We have 7000+ cases

That has nothing to do with how many more people they tested than us

We know for a fact right now that the 7,708 cases that have tested positive in this country is 23 cases per million people in this country.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by penguinz

Not remotely accurate. Those countries are actually testing where the US barely is.

While true, we're not seeing many serious cases, while Italy is being overwhelmed by them. So it stands to reason that we still have far fewer cases, even if the difference probably isn't as great as the raw numbers make it seem.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by wazu

I have no doubt we've already far surpassed them. I would bet we're closer to China.

Sorry, but I don't agree at all.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by penguinz

Not remotely accurate. Those countries are actually testing where the US barely is.

That story that was posted earlier about the data being all wrong and decisions being made without having anything remotely resembling accurate data made this point in two ways. We not only don't know what the real impact is because we have no way to test if people have it on a widespread basis or if they have had it in the past, we're also comparing the data that is available on COVID-19 to flu data that is ESTIMATED. We know that the flu impacts many more people than actually come in and report their illness (and thus don't get counted).

The big difference is that COVID-19 is happening over a shorter period of time and consequently increasing the stress on the health care system. It also seems to be causing more damage in those that get seriously afflicted (possible permanent lung damage, etc.). Not diminishing it in any way, but we don't know what this really is doing yet -- especially if the majority of people who get it are and remain asymptomatic.