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Old 04-28-2013, 03:03 PM  
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Geno Smith vs Alex Smith - It's on.
It's on now. Geno Smith is probably going to be starting for the Jets this season.

Alex Smith will be the Chiefs QB for the forseeable future. If he's a success, we'll probably get five good years out of him.

So who's gonna win more NFL games over that time period?

Put your ten pounders on the table and make a vote

Alex: 11 wins
Geno: 8 wins
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Old 01-01-2014, 11:17 PM   #6391
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Total QBR is far superior because it takes a lot more into its rating. No question.

For the sake of discussion, though...here are his old school quarterback ratings from those same 4 games.

88.6
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"A lot more." Have you actually looked at the formula? Half of it is completely subjective. Real QBR are based on facts and facts alone. Like I said in my post, their system is really flawed. I'm not saying Geno didn't play well or trying to debunk his TQBR over that span, just that TQBR is crap.

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What is different today than 2005?
It's a pretty well known fact that college QBs these days come out way more polished and NFL-ready than they were a decade ago. The NFL was running the shotgun about 25% of all passing downs during that time and now it's over 50%.. things have changed a lot.
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Old 01-01-2014, 11:25 PM   #6392
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"A lot more." Have you actually looked at the formula? Half of it is completely subjective. Real QBR are based on facts and facts alone. Like I said in my post, their system is really flawed. I'm not saying Geno didn't play well or trying to debunk his TQBR over that span, just that TQBR is crap.



It's a pretty well known fact that college QBs these days come out way more polished and NFL-ready than they were a decade ago. The NFL was running the shotgun about 25% of all passing downs during that time and now it's over 50%.. things have changed a lot.
Sorry, but I'm not seeing a difference between Rivers preperation coming out and Glennon/Geno. It's all dependent on the system the QB comes from which is why RG3 is struggling at reading defenses. You can't really lump everyone all together in a blanket statement like you're doing.
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Old 01-01-2014, 11:39 PM   #6393
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Sorry, but I'm not seeing a difference between Rivers preperation coming out and Glennon/Geno. It's all dependent on the system the QB comes from which is why RG3 is struggling at reading defenses. You can't really lump everyone all together in a blanket statement like you're doing.
I do not want to be in this thread.

But I am bored. There is a huge difference between Phillip/Glennon, and Geno Smiths development.

Just like there was a huge difference between Andrew Lucks, and RG3.

Phillip, and Glennon both ran pro style systems that required them to actually read the defense. Go through progressions, and be a pro qb while in college.

Genos did not.

There is your difference.

Its why Cam, Rg3 Kaep, all had immediate success, and have regressed, while someone like Russell Wilson, Andrew Luck, and Nick Foles have progressed. Quickly.
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Old 01-01-2014, 11:42 PM   #6394
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I do not want to be in this thread.

But I am bored. There is a huge difference between Phillip/Glennon, and Geno Smiths development.

Just like there was a huge difference between Andrew Lucks, and RG3.

Phillip, and Glennon both ran pro style systems that required them to actually read the defense. Go through progressions, and be a pro qb while in college.

Genos did not.

There is your difference.

Its why Cam, Rg3 Kaep, all had immediate success, and have regressed, while someone like Russell Wilson, Andrew Luck, and Nick Foles have progressed. Quickly.
Agreed 100%.
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Old 01-01-2014, 11:45 PM   #6395
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Agreed 100%.
Its also why I hope that the Jets build around him.

They need to give him another year as being a care taker.

So he can keep developing.

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He proved he could get them to 8 wins as a rookie with nothing around him that resembles NFL talent.

I think the kid deserves a chance to improve on that with a couple weapons added to the roster to help him do exactly that.
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I do not want to be in this thread.

But I am bored. There is a huge difference between Phillip/Glennon, and Geno Smiths development.

Just like there was a huge difference between Andrew Lucks, and RG3.

Phillip, and Glennon both ran pro style systems that required them to actually read the defense. Go through progressions, and be a pro qb while in college.

Genos did not.

There is your difference.

Its why Cam, Rg3 Kaep, all had immediate success, and have regressed, while someone like Russell Wilson, Andrew Luck, and Nick Foles have progressed. Quickly.

That isn't true.
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Mike Glennon is a scrub.

Some people watch games, others just watch the stats scroll across the bottom of the screen.
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Mike Glennon is a scrub.

Some people watch games, others just watch the stats scroll across the bottom of the screen.
Some people also understand that he was under a terrible coach. Never really had a running game he was also a third round pick. He will be a lot better under lovie and Jeff Tedford.
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Some people also understand that he was under a terrible coach. Never really had a running game he was also a third round pick. He will be a lot better under lovie and Jeff Tedford.
Define "better". The goal is to win a Super Bowl.
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Mike Glennon is a scrub.

Some people watch games, others just watch the stats scroll across the bottom of the screen.
I thought the same about Foles after his rookie year I've learned to give theses guys 2-3 years before passing judgement.
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I thought the same about Foles after his rookie year I've learned to give theses guys 2-3 years before passing judgement.
I'm all about giving them time to develop but there are some things that time can't fix, like Glennon's utter lack of athleticism.
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Some people also understand that he was under a terrible coach. Never really had a running game he was also a third round pick. He will be a lot better under lovie and Jeff Tedford.
that goofy turd will fail.
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Holgorsen's offense (and nearly every AirRaid offense) has progressions.
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