NFL Draft Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 - Page 43

**chiefforlife** · 02-21-2009, 09:39 AM

SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m.

Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion.

And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff.

We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players.

Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.”

The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee.

“He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted.

“What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.”

Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person.

“As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader.

“The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.”

(And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.)

So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.

Crush · 02-23-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CanadaKC

from NFL draft blitz....I keep posting shit like this every day....when are all the Sanchez pimps going to wake up?

Scott Pioli and Todd Haley will not take many risks during the early part of their Chiefs’ era. Curry may be the safest pick in the entire draft, as his ceiling his “elite” and his floor is “really good”. The Chiefs need tough, physical playmakers in that front seven and Curry can provide the needed boost that defense. Curry, Derrick Johnson, Glenn Dorsey and Brandon Flowers are a nice, young nucleus on defense.

Picking the "safest" choice has done nothing this team in the last twenty years.

**doomy3** · 02-23-2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Crush

Picking the "safest" choice has done nothing this team in the last twenty years.

no, but it's done plenty for the Patriots, Steelers and Ravens

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-23-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rigodan

For those of you that don't want either of these qbs, what does a college qb have to do for you to want to draft them? You guys seem too have insanely high standards. The problem is that the perfect qb prospect that you would want to draft won't be there next year (don't even say Sam Bradford). If such a prospect ever does appear he will have to be a consensus #1 to meet such high standards and do you really think a Pioli team is going to be picking anywhere near #1 after two years? Why not get our guy now while we're in a position too.

For those of you that say build the defense and o-line that is a blue print for the Minnesota Vikings. Pretty good defense, great o-line and running game, no qb, no playoff wins. No quarterback equals no playoff wins.

This post was so awesome, I would name my first born after it.
REP!

Reerun_KC · 02-23-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

no, but it's done plenty for the Patriots, Steelers and Ravens

But were not the Patriots, Steelers and Ravens.... So how does our failures translate to their success?

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-23-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

no, but it's done plenty for the Patriots, Steelers and Ravens

You have to BUILD the team first, BEFORE you can start pruning the tree as the years go by!

We don't HAVE a team! Who does not understand this? Raise your hand!

baitism · 02-23-2009, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rigodan

For those of you that don't want either of these qbs, what does a college qb have to do for you to want to draft them? You guys seem too have insanely high standards. The problem is that the perfect qb prospect that you would want to draft won't be there next year (don't even say Sam Bradford). If such a prospect ever does appear he will have to be a consensus #1 to meet such high standards and do you really think a Pioli team is going to be picking anywhere near #1 after two years? Why not get our guy now while we're in a position too.

For those of you that say build the defense and o-line that is a blue print for the Minnesota Vikings. Pretty good defense, great o-line and running game, no qb, no playoff wins. No quarterback equals no playoff wins.

I dunno, Trent Dilfer has a superbowl ring, and Tennessee got pretty far with Kerry freaking Collins at QB.

Crush · 02-23-2009, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

no, but it's done plenty for the Patriots, Steelers and Ravens

Yeah, but the Patriots, Steelers, and (now) the Ravens all have something that the Chiefs do not. That something is a leader that can put the team on his back and lead them to victory with less than two minutes available.

When the score is 24-23 with only 0:59 to go, I can guarantee you that the team will not be looking to Aaron Curry for leadership. They will be looking at the QB in order to get them through the mess.

Brock · 02-23-2009, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

no, but it's done plenty for the Patriots, Steelers and Ravens

They all have QBs.

Reerun_KC · 02-23-2009, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by baitism

I dunno, Trent Dilfer has a superbowl ring, and Tennessee got pretty far with Kerry freaking Collins at QB.

Those damn pesky 1st round QB's....

Crush · 02-23-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by baitism

I dunno, Trent Dilfer has a superbowl ring, and Tennessee got pretty far with Kerry freaking Collins at QB.

Trent Dilfer was lucky to be in that situation with a monster D.

Kerry Collins was last year's incarnation of 1995 Steve Bono. I expect Collins to fall flat on his face and come back to the earth in the upcoming season.

baitism · 02-23-2009, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Those damn pesky 1st round QB's....

That was not the argument. The argument was that you needed a great QB to win playoff games. And who here would really want to waste a first round pick on a QB if they knew he was going to end up like Dilfer or Collins?

Reerun_KC · 02-23-2009, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Crush

Trent Dilfer was lucky to be in that situation with a monster D.

Kerry Collins was last year's incarnation of 1995 Steve Bono. I expect Collins to fall flat on his face and come back to the earth in the upcoming season.

Collins has been up and down more that Pioli Zombies mom over his career...

Brock · 02-23-2009, 05:33 PM

"Tennessee got pretty far with Kerry freaking Collins"

If by getting pretty far you mean made the playoffs and promptly shit the bed, I guess so.

Reerun_KC · 02-23-2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by baitism

That was not the argument. The argument was that you needed a great QB to win playoff games. And who here would really want to waste a first round pick on a QB if they knew he was going to end up like Dilfer or Collins?

You can gurantee 100% fact that you know Stafford and Sanchez will end up like Dilfer or Collins? You have that much knowledge of the game to prove to everyone you can forsee the future with these two QB's?

Rigodan · 02-23-2009, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by baitism

I dunno, Trent Dilfer has a superbowl ring, and Tennessee got pretty far with Kerry freaking Collins at QB.

I posted this in another thread earlier this year:

There are a lot of really good teams that don't win a Superbowl every year. Look at the Pats last year. Possibly one of the greatest teams of all time and they lost. Look at the Steelers and Giants when they won and the Cardinals this year. Crazy stuff happens in the playoffs. For the Chiefs to win the Superbowl they're probably going to need more than one shot at it with a really good team because of the nature of the playoffs. Teams that are consistently in playoffs with good teams every year have one thing in common. They have great quaterbacks. Patriots/Brady, Colts/Manning, Steelers/Roethlisberger, Chargers/Brees/Rivers, earlier in the deacade you had Eagles/McNabb(before he couldn't decide whether to care or not).

You can also look at the great defenses this decade that didn't have franchise qbs. Baltimore and tampa bay for example. From 2003 to 2007 they finished in the top 6 in total defense every year except for Tampa Bay in 2006. Without a good quarterback those great defenses had a regular season record of 79-81, made the playoffs 4 out of 10 times and won ZERO playoff games. To repeat those defenses finished in the top 6 nine out of ten years and won 0 playoff games.

Sure we could build the defense, hope to get a qb later, and pray to god that everything falls into place like it did for Trent Dilfer. Sure it could happen, but its not likely.

02-21-2009, 09:39 AM
chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $5493147	Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m. Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion. And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day. Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff. We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players. Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.” The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee. “He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted. “What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.” Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person. “As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader. “The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.” (And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.) So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.
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