Chiefs Pioli Deserves Props - Page 43

Hoover · 04-29-2012, 09:12 AM

The NFL draft is a lot like Christmas morning. There is a lot of anticipation leading up to the big day, and when the time finally arrives to see what’s under the tree for us we can sometimes be a little disappointed.

We all remember the Christmas that we got everything we wanted. For Chiefs fans that was last year. We got a QB, WR, DBs, and LBs. Heck we even liked the more practical gifts like a Rodney Hudson. Frankly, the 2011 draft gave us a lot to play with, and we used them.

After a big year like 2011, some of you seem down. Sure we got the big present we always talk about (NT), but its’ not as cool as we thought it would be. We also ended up with some more practical gifts than we expected.

Here is how I view this draft, and to be honest I’m pretty stoked about it.

After having a draft like we did in 2011 where we seemed to hit on almost every pick, it wasn’t necessary for the Chiefs to snag additional pass rushers to sit behind guys like Hali and Houston. While we are still a little shallow when it comes to the safety position and could use some depth at center, the Chiefs are well positioned. In fact, I think the practicality of the 2012 Chiefs draft will allow them the flexibility in future drafts to aggressively seek out play makers to add to this team.

If there is one thing that I think Pioli deserves credit for, it’s rebuilding the Chiefs offensive live. While Albert was already hear when he arrived, Pioli not only filled a glaring hole at RT when he signed Eric Winston, but his last three drafts has set the Chiefs on a course to maintain a quality offensive line for years to come.

Many on this board recoiled at any suggestion that the Chiefs should use their first round pick on a lineman. After all the heated debates about the value of DeCastro, Pioli seems to agree with those who don’t want to invest first round picks on the line. Maybe instead of bitching that we didn’t have the Steelers’ draft, some of you should praise Pioli for doing exactly what you advocated for.

In the last three years, Pioli has taken four offensive linemen in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the draft. Asamoah and Hudson are now starters. Jeff Allen is going to push Ryan Lilja for a starting spot at guard, but is more likely to be seasoned for a year before finding a permanent home on the life. I know it’s sometimes hard to get excited about the offensive line, but Pioli obviously has a process that seems to be working really well.

Picking back-to-back tackles isn’t as exciting as drafting guys like Justin Houston or Javier Arenas, but it feeds a system that can produce quality linemen that allows the Chiefs not use first round picks on offensive tackles, guards, or centers. It also means that the Chiefs will not be forced to commit free agent dollars on those positions either.

We are lucky to have landed Winston this offseason. Without him there would probably be no Poe. I like how Pioli is building this team. While I continue to be frustrated about Cassel, finding a franchise QB is never easy. We have had three solid drafts under Pioli and we can already see the results. Yes we need to find a QB, but at least we are building a strong team while we continue to look for him.

Chiefnj2 · 05-02-2012, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

So basically he was put in a shitty no win situation?

IMHO, you occasionally have that once in a decade QB that can really mask a lot of weaknesses and win games. At this early point, it looks like Cam Newton could be one of those guys. Other than those guys, I think most other QB's need a really good support system in place and they need a system carefully designed around them.

Big Ben won his first year because of the team around him. If he was on the Browns I don't think they go to the Super Bowl instead.

O.city · 05-02-2012, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

IMHO, you occasionally have that once in a decade QB that can really mask a lot of weaknesses and win games. At this early point, it looks like Cam Newton could be one of those guys. Other than those guys, I think most other QB's need a really good support system in place and they need a system carefully designed around them.

Big Ben won his first year because of the team around him. If he was on the Browns I don't think they go to the Super Bowl instead.

I agree.

I've said it before, but IMO, it's more about situation than anything.

saphojunkie · 05-02-2012, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

first...is that a joke? that's like telling someone you discovered the beatles...last year

second...the excuses...holy shit, Pioli is a genious we have to praise, but he amazingly bears no responsibility for the QB he hand picked and whose claim to fame is one of the most embarrassing playoff performances by a QB in chiefs history...that and being unable to hit the broad side of an ocean sized barn

even though Pioli is paid $5 mill a year, anyone in his place would have had to acquire Cassel and do nothing else at QB for 4 years, is the story...

there is no fan base - not even close - that is as flat ****ing reeruned when it comes to the subject of QB...you can't suck ass enough to force this fan base to hold someone accountable

Yet another person talking in abstracts. You still can't point to a time and opportunity to have replaced him. Or are you saying you were against the signing from the beginning?

Sometimes I think you people forget just how atrocious this team was before Pioli took over. Even with the amazing players Herm drafted, in his everlasting wisdom.

O.city · 05-02-2012, 10:54 AM

It's one reason I'm actually slightly optimistic about Quinn. Obviously, the guy is really or was at one time, really talented and thought to have all the tools.

Hopefully he was just never in the right situation.

saphojunkie · 05-02-2012, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

They had the #32 scoring defense.

And I'm sorry Josh Freeman isn't as good as the best QB in the league.

That's not the point. You want to blame a QB throwing interceptions on having a last-ranked defense. I'm sure there's a correlation, but not nearly one strong enough to lay the blame for INTs on the defense.

The ball was safe and sound until he let go of it. It's on Freeman. 22 is a shitload of interceptions, dude. That isn't just playing from behind. That's fundamental problems with decision making.

Hammock Parties · 05-02-2012, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

That's not the point. You want to blame a QB throwing interceptions on having a last-ranked defense. I'm sure there's a correlation, but not nearly one strong enough to lay the blame for INTs on the defense.

The ball was safe and sound until he let go of it. It's on Freeman. 22 is a shitload of interceptions, dude. That isn't just playing from behind. That's fundamental problems with decision making.

I don't give a ****.

Pioli would look a lot smarter if Josh Freeman were our QB right now.

And there's no ****ing way he'd have thrown 22 picks here.

For all his "fundamental" problems he threw 6 picks the year before.

**The Franchise** · 05-02-2012, 11:05 AM

I would easily take Freeman over Cassel and Benn over McCluster.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 05-02-2012, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Freeman wasn't worth the #3 overall but Tannehill was worth trading 2nd and 3rd round picks for?

Wow.

Whatever suits their argument.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 05-02-2012, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

I would easily take Freeman over Cassel and Benn over McCluster.

Without question.

Micjones · 05-02-2012, 11:08 AM

Let's have it out once and for all...

Please name all of the QB's Pioli had a realistic chance of signing or drafting since he took over as GM (that are clearly better options than Cassel).

Hammock Parties · 05-02-2012, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Let's have it out once and for all...

Please name all of the QB's Pioli had a realistic chance of signing or drafting since he took over as GM (that are clearly better options than Cassel).

Josh Freeman.

Kyle Orton.

Micjones · 05-02-2012, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

Josh Freeman.

Kyle Orton.

Wow. Two names?
I was fully expecting a half-dozen.

And I think the idea that either of those two are CLEARLY better is laughable.

Kyle Orton sucks goat dick in the red zone.
Freeman's high watermark season, 2010, was comparable to Cassel's 2010 performance, but I'd hardly call it "better".

Quesadilla Joe · 05-02-2012, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

Josh Freeman.

Kyle Orton.

Andy Dalton, Tim Tebow, Mark Sanchez.

**The Franchise** · 05-02-2012, 11:15 AM

Josh Freeman
Mark Sanchez
Kyle Orton
Andy Dalton
T.J. Yates

Micjones · 05-02-2012, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Josh Freeman
Mark Sanchez
Kyle Orton
Andy Dalton
T.J. Yates

/caseclosed

04-29-2012, 09:12 AM
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $1168179	Pioli Deserves Props The NFL draft is a lot like Christmas morning. There is a lot of anticipation leading up to the big day, and when the time finally arrives to see what’s under the tree for us we can sometimes be a little disappointed. We all remember the Christmas that we got everything we wanted. For Chiefs fans that was last year. We got a QB, WR, DBs, and LBs. Heck we even liked the more practical gifts like a Rodney Hudson. Frankly, the 2011 draft gave us a lot to play with, and we used them. After a big year like 2011, some of you seem down. Sure we got the big present we always talk about (NT), but its’ not as cool as we thought it would be. We also ended up with some more practical gifts than we expected. Here is how I view this draft, and to be honest I’m pretty stoked about it. After having a draft like we did in 2011 where we seemed to hit on almost every pick, it wasn’t necessary for the Chiefs to snag additional pass rushers to sit behind guys like Hali and Houston. While we are still a little shallow when it comes to the safety position and could use some depth at center, the Chiefs are well positioned. In fact, I think the practicality of the 2012 Chiefs draft will allow them the flexibility in future drafts to aggressively seek out play makers to add to this team. If there is one thing that I think Pioli deserves credit for, it’s rebuilding the Chiefs offensive live. While Albert was already hear when he arrived, Pioli not only filled a glaring hole at RT when he signed Eric Winston, but his last three drafts has set the Chiefs on a course to maintain a quality offensive line for years to come. Many on this board recoiled at any suggestion that the Chiefs should use their first round pick on a lineman. After all the heated debates about the value of DeCastro, Pioli seems to agree with those who don’t want to invest first round picks on the line. Maybe instead of bitching that we didn’t have the Steelers’ draft, some of you should praise Pioli for doing exactly what you advocated for. In the last three years, Pioli has taken four offensive linemen in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the draft. Asamoah and Hudson are now starters. Jeff Allen is going to push Ryan Lilja for a starting spot at guard, but is more likely to be seasoned for a year before finding a permanent home on the life. I know it’s sometimes hard to get excited about the offensive line, but Pioli obviously has a process that seems to be working really well. Picking back-to-back tackles isn’t as exciting as drafting guys like Justin Houston or Javier Arenas, but it feeds a system that can produce quality linemen that allows the Chiefs not use first round picks on offensive tackles, guards, or centers. It also means that the Chiefs will not be forced to commit free agent dollars on those positions either. We are lucky to have landed Winston this offseason. Without him there would probably be no Poe. I like how Pioli is building this team. While I continue to be frustrated about Cassel, finding a franchise QB is never easy. We have had three solid drafts under Pioli and we can already see the results. Yes we need to find a QB, but at least we are building a strong team while we continue to look for him.
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