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Youtube, CNN, WSJ, NYT - videos all available on the iPhone and iPad without HTML5 or Flash. I don't see why you keep insisting it's otherwise. Quote:
You're entire claim has be the iPad and iPhone couldn't play the majority of the video on the web like Jobs claims. I've demonstrated that's just not true. And it's not because of flash OR HTML5 - both of which you keep bringing up. Flash IS dying and HTML5 is coming; HTML5 is replacing flash but flash is irrelevant CURRENTLY. I have flash blocked on Safari with FlashBlock. It's generally a better experience. There are no doubt times when I need flash. The majority I don't.
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If you even halfway understood the underlying architecture, you wouldn't be making these basic mistakes.... Let's move one... try going to Hulu.com, TV.com, ABC.com, Fox.com, Comedycentral.com, mlb.com, kcchiefs.com, kcroyals.com... How is the video? MORE IMPORTANTLY, how are the NFL, NHL, UEFA, NCAA gamecasts? What? Oh you can buy an app for each of those... and soon an app for Hulu, and an app for... Have fun helping Apple rid the world of quality FREE content. Even if those apps(MOST of which don't exist yet) were free... what a complete pain in the ass. (and direct links? get real, we are talking professional websites...) |
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ABC has an app for its video, as does TV.com, which are both FREE, and Hulu is making one.
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05-03-2010, 03:17 PM | #649 |
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05-03-2010, 03:24 PM | #650 |
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Exactly.
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This is less Apple fanboyism than it is someone being dense and my SWOTI syndrome kicking in.
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You continue to miss the point. Direct link or not, the video is playable on the touch/iPhone/iPad. It would be even if I put it in a simple HTML4 page or a wordpress blog. If CNN put it on their website, it would play. That's been my whole point which is contrary to your inane point about the iPad being irrelevant until HTML5 comes out. Obviously, it isn't. Also, an app for each site system does have it's drawbacks but it also has a very big upside: UI advantages, offline processing and storage, consistency, design, etc etc. So, basically, you're points are moot. Jobs hasn't lied about anything in his write up. The iPad isn't outdated yet. The iPad isn't dependent on HTML5. The iPad IS useful without HTML5.
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So out of MILLIONS of sites with video.. Let's say I visit 100 every month... I'm going to download 100 apps to use to view their video? That is ridiculous and you know it. My point IS and always has been... Jobs lied by saying that MOST video was already available... Just because most video COULD be available if everyone uses html5 or provides an app or provides a direct link (which is inane).. doesn't make it so. And you are DEAD wrongin saying " For every site that has no substitute, there's one that does" maybe for the 5 sites YOU visit but that simply isn't true for the ENTIRE web. I think the crux of your argument comes to this line... " If (insert any website) put it on their website, it would play" (in reference to direct links of h264 video in html4) .. yes it WOULD but no site wirth a damn ever WOULD... so aren't you the one who loves to bandy about the term "vaporware"... until the MAJORITY of sites switch to HTML5, or create an app or decide to go FULL reerun and put a direct link up... you are wrong... sorry but them's the ACTUAL FACTS... whether you want them to be or not. |
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You gonna man up and admit that you were once again dead wrong by saing YouTube, NYT and CNN don't use html5 for video to ipads?
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On the actual web, HTML5 has to be enabled in your preferences on YT. Either way, it really doesn't matter. NYT and CNN I don't know and wouldn't really know how to find out, honestly. NYT has their own app, so HTML5 is meaningless to me in light of that.
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Continue to ignore the fact that non-HTML5 sites can serve h264 video without flash. Please, continue to ignore it. Direct link is irrelevant.
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I am about to move this to the general board to show everyone ese what a tool you are being... YOU SIMPLY HAVE NO ****ING CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. let's start with A) you have no clue how a professional website is structured B) you have no clue about even the basics of HTML5 C) you have no clue why from a business/resource perspective .. even if it gets decided that html5 will be H264... it will TAKE TIME to convert a majority of sites over... some of the big guys have the money to do so... MOST do not. I DO THIS FOR A LIVING AND HAVE FORGOTTEN MORE ABOUT THIS THAN YOU WILL EVER KNOW... and hearing you talk out of your ass about a topic you are CLEARLY lost on is getting tedious. If this argument is to continue I feel I'm going to have to teach you more than it is worth my time to get you up to speed to even be able to UNDERSTAND the context in which we SHOULD be speaking. SIMPLE FACT.. watch video on ipad = APP (I have explained a million times why this is an unstainable model to have 100s of apps for all the sites I frequent) or HTML5 (not deployed enough yet to be a factor) or direct links (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... this is the one that you brought up and wow oh wow just proves that you are out of your element Donnie) |
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http://kobrien15.webfactional.com/ Oh, look, it plays on iPod touch and iPad. Oh, look, it's not HTML5 nor is it flash. Oh, look, it's NOT A DIRECT LINK. Quote:
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As evidenced by my above html page with embedded video, Silock's testimony as an iPad user, Tech Crunch's article, and a plethora of other users, writers, and developers, you are just wrong for suggesting a black and white world. Direct links aren't even relevant to anyone's point. Especially not mine.
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embedsrc="http://kobrien15.webfactional.com/DAVTAKE5.mov" NOW do you see my point? Do I need to explain why that practice was abandoned years ago? |
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Still, it really does nothing to my points. The iPad can play the video. Neither HTML5 nor Flash was used. In fact, what point are you trying to make? I could make it more complicated by introducing some JS to pull the video into a complicated div structure with caption and what not, similar to what NYT does (FYI, NYT's site as far as I can tell from their DOCTYPE is not HTML5 but HTML4.). But it's the same concept.
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