Chiefs Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel - Page 44

**DaFace** · 04:32 PM

Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.
By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.

KCUnited · 10-17-2018, 09:26 AM

He must be seeing the same doctor as Corey Crawford.

**The Franchise** · 10-17-2018, 09:29 AM

My guess is that he comes back after the bye for the Raiders game. If he doesn't make it by that game.....then he's done for the year.

**MahiMike** · 10-17-2018, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Chadiha has it as them expecting him back by Jacksonville. I’d imagine he got that from the chiefs.

Same with Rappaport.

The chiefs seem to think he’ll be back sooner than later but that hasn’t worked out yet. That’s what people are upset about I’d imagine

We already played them...

Vmsmithict · 10-17-2018, 09:48 AM

Love Berry! But at some point something has got to give. He makes millions to play football!! So please get out there and play football!! He's not getting any younger, if he doesn't play this year I can see him maybe retiring. I understand this deformity and I have played through it myself. It's not the most comfortable thing in the world, but it can be done!! And an Eric Berry at 90% is still better than what we have now!! Just my two cents for what it's worth!! GO Chiefs

**dirk digler** · 10-17-2018, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Nothing wrong with being frustrated.

The frustration turning into comments like "They are lying to the fans!" when it makes zero sense is just ridiculous.

Frustration turning into comments which in a nutshell are calling Berry a weak ass pussy with no heart are ridiculous.

Why cant the situation just be exactly what it is? They aren't sure when he will be back and they hope every week its going to be the next week.

Once again, no one knew what was actually wrong with Berry until someone leaked it to NFL network. Call it what you want.

TLO · 10-17-2018, 10:06 AM

Guys, he is day to day. R E L A X

Marcellus · 10-17-2018, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz

6+ weeks without so much as being able to practice might offer some validity to our concerns.

Are you suggesting that he might play Sunday, after not having practiced in 2 months?

C'mon man, cut us some slack, 1 week, maybe 2, is understandable, but 6+?

You absolutely and completely missed the entire point.

Marcellus · 10-17-2018, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Once again, no one knew what was actually wrong with Berry until someone leaked it to NFL network. Call it what you want.

What difference does that make to the situation? Had they told you exactly what it was 6 weeks ago that changes what?

TLO · 10-17-2018, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vmsmithict

Love Berry! But at some point something has got to give. He makes millions to play football!! So please get out there and play football!! He's not getting any younger, if he doesn't play this year I can see him maybe retiring. I understand this deformity and I have played through it myself. It's not the most comfortable thing in the world, but it can be done!! And an Eric Berry at 90% is still better than what we have now!! Just my two cents for what it's worth!! GO Chiefs

If he were 90% he'd be on the field.

htismaqe · 10-17-2018, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

What difference does that make to the situation? Had they told you exactly what it was 6 weeks ago that changes what?

It actually makes a huge difference in terms of PR.

This silliness with Berry being a "pussy" started in earnest the minute this news came out.

Don't think for a minute the Chiefs didn't leak this to the media. The conversation instantly changed from the Chiefs being the reason he's not playing to Berry being the reason he's not playing.

Marcellus · 10-17-2018, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

It actually makes a huge difference in terms of PR.

This silliness with Berry being a "pussy" started in earnest the minute this news came out.

Don't think for a minute the Chiefs didn't leak this to the media. The conversation instantly changed from the Chiefs being the reason he's not playing to Berry being the reason he's not playing.

OK.

The guy who beat cancer is too much of a pussy to play because he has an ouchy on his heel. Thats your narrative.

htismaqe · 10-17-2018, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus

OK.

The only part of that post that is speculation is the Chiefs leaking it to the media.

The rest of that post is fact. The conversation changed.

htismaqe · 10-17-2018, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

OK.

The guy who beat cancer is too much of a pussy to play because he has an ouchy on his heel. Thats your narrative.

I didn't say that. In fact, last night I said the opposite.

That doesn't keep other people from saying it.

The "Berry is a pussy" narrative started in earnest as soon as the Haglund's deformity news came out.

**The Franchise** · 10-17-2018, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus

OK.

The guy who beat cancer is too much of a pussy to play because he has an ouchy on his heel. Thats your narrative.

Too much of a pussy? No.

But how much of it is him not wanting to get injured again.....so he's not going to push it if he doesn't think he's 100% ready to go?

**The Franchise** · 10-17-2018, 10:15 AM

What little I've been told on Eric Berry echoes the national reports: Playing wouldn't necessarily risk further injury - but the pain is so intense that at this juncture it's not ideal to put him out there. Even if it were playoff game, I wonder how much he could give.
— Tom Martin (@TomKCTV5) October 9, 2018

If it's THAT BAD from a pain perspective.....then why aren't you on the IR?

09-29-2018, 01:06 PM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $1466899	Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me. https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday. By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.” The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.” More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo: Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.” This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg. Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week. Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos. ---- Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann: A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition. The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well. The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself. Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function. These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is. Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side. Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some. For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period. If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. 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