Brian Flores suing the NFL

[Sassy Squatch]

Oh wow, Brian Flores suing the NFL and NY Giants, alleging racism in hiring. Includes private texts from Bill Belichick https://t.co/4FVAlelLQU

— Alex Weprin (@alexweprin) February 1, 2022

Flores' suit includes texts from Bill Belichick that appear to show him congratulating him on getting the Giants job, mistakenly believing he was texting Brian Daboll. This was before Flores' interview with the Giants took place.

— Alex Weprin (@alexweprin) February 1, 2022

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Here you go again.

“Nobody is saying it’s racism. But why aren’t they getting opportunities? It must be racism!”

You don’t even make ****ing sense. If it’s not racism, there’s no argument here. All I’m saying is that it’s not racism. You pretend to agree, but continue to argue.

Because hiring decisions aren’t made on the basis of race. Neither are promotions. That doesn’t mean you’re bringing in the best diverse talent and especially doesn’t mean you’re developing or progressing them or giving them the opportunities where they can shine. That doesn’t mean they aren’t risk averse to taking a chance on a raw young black coach.. You chalk up the shortage to them just not having the chops or interest to coach and teach. I don’t buy that at all. I don’t think teams do nearly enough to build and develop their pipeline. It isn’t racism but it is a clear organizational deficiency.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by staylor26

So you are acknowledging that your entire argument is based around EB not getting a job? And there are no other examples like him?

News flash:

If there are as many deserving black coaches not getting an opportunity as you make it seem, then why couldn’t Poles have hired one of them?

And what about Kwesi in Minnesota? He didn’t have the same issue as Poles with Nagy/EB. Why didn’t EB even get an interview despite having a history in Minnesota and being such a great candidate?

What? You’re the one who keeps bringing up poles. I get why Eb doesn’t have a job but it has nothing to do with poles not interviewing him.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

What? You’re the one who keeps bringing up poles. I get why Eb doesn’t have a job but it has nothing to do with poles not interviewing him.

I’m bringing up Poles because he’s a black GM that had his choice of a HC and he went with a white HC.

Same with Kwesi in Minnesota.

Why aren’t these black GMs picking from this great group of black coaches waiting for an opportunity?

The NFL did their job getting them into these positions, and they apparently aren’t helping and paying it back on the coaching front. Why?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I’m bringing up Poles because he’s a black GM that had his choice of a HC and he went with a white HC.

Same with Kwesi in Minnesota.

Why aren’t these black GMs picking from this great group of black coaches waiting for an opportunity?

Because they are picking from the pipeline given to them. They are relying on other teams to develop the talent they poach from. If a great talent never gets to coach he doesn’t get into the pipeline. If everyone from a scout or quality control coach doesn’t advance to positions coach to coordinator, they don’t make the pipeline either.

So either the nfl has too black talent not getting opportunities or they have a woefully underdeveloped pipeline despite having so much talent in the world to work from. Both are organizational deficiencies.

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

For the Giants? When?

I ****ed up.

I knew he served as interim HC, but got confused when he served in Buffalo.

He was DC in NY.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

God damn dipshit. I was explaining to BleedingRed where the racism was coming from in the lawsuit.

The word racism must be like your bat signal because you attract to it like a reeruned ****ing moth.

All I did was make an argument as to why HE is full of shit regarding your statement he is saying hiring practices are racist and you got all butt hurt like the bitch you are and started arguing me.

You aren't even arguing against what I said you are just arguing me saying it.

Learn reading comprehension yourself before you start calling other out and get off your ****ing soapbox you like to perch yourself on.

And yes Rabble you are a ****ing idiot.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Because they are picking from the pipeline given to them. They are relying on other teams to develop the talent they poach from. If a great talent never gets to coach he doesn’t get into the pipeline. If everyone from a scout or quality control coach doesn’t advance to positions coach to coordinator, they don’t make the pipeline either.

So either the nfl has too black talent not getting opportunities or they have a woefully underdeveloped pipeline despite having so much talent in the world to work from. Both are organizational deficiencies.

What a ****ing cop out answer. Does every other GM/team get that excuse too?

They both could’ve hired the poster boy EB and they didn’t even give an interview. There are plenty of other black candidates they could’ve hired as well.

If you really want to see more black coaches hired, you would understand that it needs to start with these black GMs that are getting the opportunity to hire them.

It’s the same concept as blacks supporting black small businesses. How can they expect the evil racist white men to help them if they can’t support/help themselves first.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Because they are picking from the pipeline given to them. They are relying on other teams to develop the talent they poach from. If a great talent never gets to coach he doesn’t get into the pipeline. If everyone from a scout or quality control coach doesn’t advance to positions coach to coordinator, they don’t make the pipeline either.

So either the nfl has too black talent not getting opportunities or they have a woefully underdeveloped pipeline despite having so much talent in the world to work from. Both are organizational deficiencies.

Ah, so it's Andy Reid's fault that Eric Beinemy has never been anything other than what he always has been?

Interesting.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by staylor26

What a ****ing cop out answer. Does every other GM/team get that excuse too?

They both could’ve hired the poster boy EB and they didn’t give him the interview. There are plenty of other black candidates they could’ve hired as well.

If you really want to see more black coaches hired, you would understand that it needs to start with these black GMs that are getting the opportunity to hire them.

It’s the same concept as blacks supporting black small businesses. How can they expect the evil racist white men to hell them if they can’t support/help themselves first.

Bullshit. GMs shouldn’t be forced to hire anyone. The problem just occurs when 31 people are doing it.

Ryan poles wanted defense and he chose somebody probably at the recommendation of Ballard. Kwesi was hot on Demeco Ryans before he dropped out and now has guys like Patrick graham on his list.

But again, these guys are drawing from the coaching talent that is available to them. Seems like you think the diverse pipeline isn’t deep enough if EB is the poster child. Well then that points to an organizational deficiency to bring and develop quality talent. Either way it is very hard to believe that 1/32 is representative of talent.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Ah, so it's Andy Reid's fault that Eric Beinemy has never been anything other than what he always has been?

Interesting.

Zilla is completely talking in circles and making no sense.

On one hand he’s saying there are all these black coaches not getting opportunities, but on the other he’s saying that these news black GMs not hiring any of them is because there aren’t any to hire.

I mean the mental gymnastics are absolutely astonishing.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Bullshit. GMs shouldn’t be forced to hire anyone. The problem just occurs when 31 people are doing it.

Ryan poles wanted defense and he chose somebody probably at the recommendation of Ballard. Kwesi was hot on Demeco Ryans before he dropped out and now has guys like Patrick graham on his list.

But again, these guys are drawing from the coaching talent that is available to them. Seems like you think the diverse pipeline isn’t deep enough if EB is the poster child. Well then that points to an organizational deficiency to bring and develop quality talent. Either way it is very hard to believe that 1/32 is representative of talent.

Nobody said that GMs should be “forced” to hire anybody. Quite the opposite. You’re such a dumb mother****er it’s unbelievable

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I’m bringing up Poles because he’s a black GM that had his choice of a HC and he went with a white HC.

Same with Kwesi in Minnesota.

Why aren’t these black GMs picking from this great group of black coaches waiting for an opportunity?

The NFL did their job getting them into these positions, and they apparently aren’t helping and paying it back on the coaching front. Why?

LOL at GMs having absolute hiring authority over head coaches.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Cave Johnson

LOL at GMs having absolute hiring authority over head coaches.

I made that point previously and it was ignored.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Cave Johnson

LOL at GMs having absolute hiring authority over head coaches.

Ryan Poles demanded to be able to hire his own HC before getting the job. Eberflus was 100% his guy.

Kwesi is also getting his guy in Harbaugh who he has a history/relationship with going back to SF. Harbaugh wasn’t even in the conversation or interviewed until Kwesi was hired.

Both GMs got THEIR guy.

Nice try though.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

I made that point previously and it was ignored.

No, you were just wrong and you still don’t know it.