***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I am starting to come around to this idea as well. 4-6 weeks then reopen everything and do the best we can, maybe quarantine people 60\65 or older.

Otherwise there won't be much of a country left. Leadership from the top down has completely failed us.

From another forum. Apparently this is what they're doing on Beijing. Sobering as hell.

in china, all packages are sprayed down before they come into the building, when people enter their apartments they go through a routine

people don't order food very much since there were reports of asymptomatic chefs infecting dozens - nearly everything is delivered and sprayed/washed and prepared at home - this is a big deal, chinese people eat out so frequently many don't even know how to make basic food at home - lots of smaller apartments don't even have kitchens or if they do it's quite limited with a single plugin electric stovetop, if you go anywhere in China, about 2/3 of all storefronts are restaurants, if you're in a city there are dozens of restaurants you can go to without leaving your own block - this is crippling small businesses and the economy and they wouldn't do that casually


process of coming back to apartment:

open door, spray all my items and put them inside

if it's in packaging, i remove the packaging and leave in hallway to take to trash next time so there's less chance of bringing in covid - this is a building where normally management would knock on my door and yell at me for leaving trash in the hallway but nobody cares about that now

then i spray down my gloved hands and spray bottle and switch to the disinfectant bottle to spray the soles of my shoes (don't want to use other bottle on shoes because it has bleach)

step inside, slide feet out of shoes, spray outside doornob with bleach spray and close door

inspect gloves as I take them off, if in good condition i put them in a bin to reuse, if in bad condition i drop them outside door in hallway

remove mask and sunglasses, spray them and leave mask to dry

take glasses with me and put in sink and wash my hands thoroughly with soap twice, then rinse off any remaining spray on glasses lenses

then i'm done

a nightmare and hassle at first but now it's second nature

coming into the building there's someone to check my temp and if he doesn't recognize me (they all do since i'm 6'2" & white) then they ask my corona card that proves i live in the building (to prevent residents who were living in another province to register that they've moved to this building and making tracking disease spread easier - mostly just finding people who were in Hubei and testing them) - a few weeks back a girl was screaming at them because she came back from visiting her family during the beginning of the lockdown and thus didn't have the card and she had to get tested first or something - she's here now but obviously was unhappy being made to wait in the lobby until they sorted it out

price you pay to live though - didn't leave china earlier because i was in the "lol hysteria" camp and not leaving now because I'm genuinely frightened because I know the US will never take these necessary steps

[DJ's left nut]

"Necessary steps" = police state for an indefinite duration.

No thanks. The entire world would be better to spin the wheel and take their chances with this thing while awaiting herd immunity than they would to allow these sort of draconian confiscations of basic personal liberties.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

From another forum. Apparently this is what they're doing on Beijing. Sobering as hell.

Americans are to lazy to shower everyday let a lone do this....

[O.city]

Yeah, **** that.

You guys need to trust science and technology. They'll fix this ****er.

[O.city]

Compassion, perseverance and technology.


Don't give up. We aren't doing that. It's not gonna get shit done. Move forward. Every day.

[Donger]

I heard from family that the Brits began letting older folks, and older folks only, into stores for a couple of hours in the morning. Sounds like we are now doing the same.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by O.city

Compassion, perseverance and technology.


Don't give up. We aren't doing that. It's not gonna get shit done. Move forward. Every day.

So I see you've reached the bargaining stage.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

So I see you've reached the bargaining stage.

I've moved past the eyore stage. It accomplishes nothing. This defeatist attitude.

Come on man. Pull your skirt up and get on board.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by O.city

I've moved past the eyore stage. It accomplishes nothing. This defeatist attitude.

Come on man. Pull your skirt up and get on board.

I have lots of video games, I'll manage.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I have lots of video games, I'll manage.

Will shit get worse? Probably yeah.

But we'll figure it out.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, **** that.

You guys need to trust science and technology. They'll fix this ****er.

And if it doesn't, mother nature would.

If the answer is that 350 million Americans live their lives in a meaningless hellscape founded on nothing but fear, uncertainty and inactivity for potentially years OR 15 million of them die. I'm sorry...that just isn't a hard choice. And it's macabre and its awful but we didn't ****ing ask for this.

This isn't about just needing to make money - this is about needing to live a life. A meaningful existence where you wake up and have a task and you do that task and you go to bed at night satisfied that you've accomplished something that day. How many retirees leave their jobs and are dead within a year or two? Healthy as horses while they had something to go do each morning - deader than sticks when they stopped finding a reason to wake up.

Once again folks, the people to be pissed off at is ****ing China for unleashing this fresh hell on the world. We didn't ask for this. We didn't cause this.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by O.city

Will shit get worse? Probably yeah.

But we'll figure it out.

3 days ago my sister basically said this was all bullshit.....now today she's flipping out, odd how something changes so fast.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

They are moving to electronic trading only on 3.23.20....Two floor traders have tested positive. Why they haven't shut it down before now is beyond me.

No shit, its obvious those assholes have AIDS at a minimum.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And if it doesn't, mother nature would.

If the answer is that 350 million Americans live their lives in a meaningless hellscape founded on nothing but fear, uncertainty and inactivity for potentially years OR 15 million of them die. I'm sorry...that just isn't a hard choice. And it's macabre and its awful but we didn't ****ing ask for this.

This isn't about just needing to make money - this is about needing to live a life. A meaningful existence where you wake up and have a task and you do that task and you go to bed at night satisfied that you've accomplished something that day. How many retirees leave their jobs and are dead within a year or two? Healthy as horses while they had something to go do each morning - deader than sticks when they stopped finding a reason to wake up.

Once again folks, the people to be pissed off at is ****ing China for unleashing this fresh hell on the world. We didn't ask for this. We didn't cause this.

Im curious as to whether this will have a long lasting effect on the overall opinion of globalism for some people or whether by October they will completely have forgotten.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And if it doesn't, mother nature would.

If the answer is that 350 million Americans live their lives in a meaningless hellscape founded on nothing but fear, uncertainty and inactivity for potentially years OR 15 million of them die. I'm sorry...that just isn't a hard choice. And it's macabre and its awful but we didn't ****ing ask for this.

This isn't about just needing to make money - this is about needing to live a life. A meaningful existence where you wake up and have a task and you do that task and you go to bed at night satisfied that you've accomplished something that day. How many retirees leave their jobs and are dead within a year or two? Healthy as horses while they had something to go do each morning - deader than sticks when they stopped finding a reason to wake up.

Once again folks, the people to be pissed off at is ****ing China for unleashing this fresh hell on the world. We didn't ask for this. We didn't cause this.

They need to get out a plan like you said or eventually, people are gonna say **** it we've gotta live.