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Mr_Tomahawk · 05:22 PM

Presser tomorrow (Wednesday)...

Adam Schefter ‏ @AdamSchefter
And @mortreport is reporting the Colts will release Peyton Manning. News on ESPN.

Jason La Canfora ‏ @JasonLaCanfora
Colts have preliminary plans for a Payton Manning departure press conference on Wed. Awaiting final word from owner Jim Irsay

Chris Mortensen ‏ @mortreport
Manning and Irsay will both attend presser, which is expected Wednesday

**Mr. Kotter** · 03-07-2012, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder

I hope I'm wrong. Trotting out Matt Cassel out there in September when Pioli had a chance to sign Manning would be serious fail.

Yep.

**Bowser** · 03-07-2012, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch

And doesn't Condon ****ing LOATHE Carl?...

Doesn't he live in KC? I think it's an automatic to loathe King Carl if you're a KC resident.

Mr. Laz · 03-07-2012, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch

And doesn't Condon ****ing LOATHE Carl?...

forgot about that ... i believe you are correct.

another strike against Miami

Mr_Tomahawk · 03-07-2012, 02:04 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-destination/

CAA factor looms over Peyton’s next destination

Posted by Mike Florio on March 7, 2012, 2:33 PM EST

When picking the next place where Peyton Manning will play, a potentially significant factor arises not from Peyton’s preferences or priorities but from the stable of clients represented by CAA, the agency that represents Manning.

CAA handles many athletes and coaches. (The mega-firm even represents some NFL reporters who, coincidentally, know a thing or two about CAA’s football clients.) And CAA will naturally be inclined to steer Peyton away from teams where another CAA client currently serves as the starting quarterback.

For starter, consider the 49ers. Alex Smith is the quarterback. He apparently wants to stay. The 49ers apparently want to keep him. There’s no evidence of a strong demand for his services on the open market.

And he’s represented by CAA.

So even if it makes sense for the 49ers to make a play for Manning, CAA won’t want to see that happen, if the end result is one less CAA client serving as an NFL starting quarterback.

Ditto for the Denver Broncos. When Jimmy Sexton joined CAA last year, he brought Tim Tebow with him. If the Broncos were to add Manning, Tebow would be bumped to the bench, or worse.

So forget about Manning becoming a Bronco.

CAA represents other starters whose teams likely aren’t thinking about making a change, including Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan, Rams quarterback Sam Bradford, Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers, and Lions quarterback Matt Stafford. Beyond that, there are some possible (not likely, but possible) destinations that complicate the careers of other CAA clients.

Buffalo? Ryan Fitzpatrick is another Sexton guy.

Cowboys? Tony Romo is represented by Ken Kremer of CAA.

Jaguars? Blaine Gabbert is a CAA client.

Vikings? Sexton has Christian Ponder.

Bucs? Kremer has Josh Freeman.

Of course, Peyton Manning can be a lot more persuasive and/or insistent than most clients. If he wants to go to San Francisco, he’s going to San Francisco, regardless of what it means for Alex Smith.

Still, the agent serves as the first point of contact, and the agent has plenty of control over who gets a seat at the table. Though it’s hardly the main factor, it’s definitely one of the various things that will go into the broader decision as to where Manning will play in 2012 and beyond.

Mr_Tomahawk · 03-07-2012, 02:10 PM

Sam Mellinger | Chiefs must do everything to get Manning

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/03/07...#storylink=cpy

Stuff Peyton Manning full of Boulevard Pale Ale and a Z-Man sandwich. Show him pictures of Arrowhead Stadium on a crisp fall Sunday, play video of Jamaal Charles rushing through the line and Tony Moeaki’s catch against the 49ers last year and — put this one on loop — Dwayne Bowe’s circus grabs in Indianapolis.

Whatever it takes.

Scott Pioli has a hard job. Being general manager of the Chiefs means an endless string of decisions on a razor’s edge, the wrong answer bringing losses and criticism and ultimately bad news from the boss.

Which is why he should be ecstatic, skipping down the halls of the Chiefs’ offices and bear-hugging Romeo Crennel to celebrate the easiest decision of his professional career:

Pursue Manning with everything the franchise has.

Do this, and a disproportionate amount of the common criticism — cheap ownership, unwilling to make bold moves, too much commitment to Matt Cassel — goes away. Vanishes.

This makes too much sense for the Chiefs not to make signing one of five greatest quarterbacks of all time priority No. 1, 2 and 3 this offseason.

Pioli’s Chiefs have made do with a mediocre quarterback. Their vision has been clouded by Cassel’s limitations. With rules stacked in favor of passing, the Chiefs have built around running. In three years, it’s produced a one-and-done playoff appearance in one of the NFL’s weakest divisions.

This is their chance to fix all that, a gift from the football gods of circumstance.

The best part? Every indication is that Pioli and the Chiefs are absolutely doing this.

Crennel talks openly and specifically about Manning, almost certainly violated the NFL’s tampering rules in the process. Pioli talks openly and specifically about improving the quarterback position. Clark Hunt talks openly and specifically about the enormous gap between what the Chiefs currently spend and what they’ll be required to spend in 2013 not being an issue.

So the talking points from the three most powerful men in the organization all point toward signing Manning to what would almost certainly be the highest annual salary in franchise history.

Manning will be able to choose virtually any franchise he wants. He is in a great spot. One projection says he’d make the biggest impact in Arizona, adding four wins. The Dolphins could use him. Seattle, too. And Washington. The list goes on and on, so the Chiefs will have to make their case.

They’ll have to show Manning more than the money. His first question might be how the Chiefs plan on fixing their broken offensive line, because he always had one of the league’s best in Indy. The Chiefs will also have to accept a significant risk.

Manning hasn’t thrown a meaningful pass in more than a year. He had three neck surgeries in 19 months. Nobody can be certain when or even if he’ll fully recover. Bringing him in means overhauling the existing system for Manning’s.

Even forgetting the neck, Manning turns 36 this month. Only five starting quarterbacks at that age have ever had higher passing ratings than Cassel’s 93.0 mark in 2010. Only three — Johnny Unitas, Jim Plunkett and John Elway — have won a Super Bowl after their 36th birthday.

It’s just that the Chiefs are terrifically positioned to absorb the risk and accentuate the potential reward.

The last five years or so of frugal spending mean they can make the money work. The franchise tag on Bowe, Moeaki’s presumed healing and Jon Baldwin’s presumed development mean Manning would have one of the league’s best group of receivers. Charles’ presumed healing means he’d have one of the best running backs.

As for the offensive line, the right moves can fix that this offseason. Besides, Manning would make the line instantly and significantly better.

And if it turns out that Manning can’t play, or is only a vague representation of his former self, then Cassel becomes a workable insurance policy.

The Chiefs are in a unique spot where the rewards of signing Manning mean more, and the risks mean less.

Pioli will have missed a franchise-altering opportunity if he doesn’t pursue this. NFL decisions never come this easy.

To reach Sam Mellinger, call 816-234-4365, send email to [email protected] or follow twitter.com/mellinger. For previous columns, go to KansasCity.com.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/03/07...#storylink=cpy

Thig Lyfe · 03-07-2012, 02:11 PM

Pioli's gotta be feeling the pressure now.

**Bowser** · 03-07-2012, 02:13 PM

Nice column from Mellinger, and accurate.

Mr_Tomahawk · 03-07-2012, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SportsRacer

Pioli's gotta be feeling the pressure now.

The guy has 2 years left on his contract I believe...

If he wants to get an extension this year, this would be the move you make to get your extension.

It seems simple...

ToxSocks · 03-07-2012, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-destination/

CAA factor looms over Peyton’s next destination

Posted by Mike Florio on March 7, 2012, 2:33 PM EST

When picking the next place where Peyton Manning will play, a potentially significant factor arises not from Peyton’s preferences or priorities but from the stable of clients represented by CAA, the agency that represents Manning.

CAA handles many athletes and coaches. (The mega-firm even represents some NFL reporters who, coincidentally, know a thing or two about CAA’s football clients.) And CAA will naturally be inclined to steer Peyton away from teams where another CAA client currently serves as the starting quarterback.

For starter, consider the 49ers. Alex Smith is the quarterback. He apparently wants to stay. The 49ers apparently want to keep him. There’s no evidence of a strong demand for his services on the open market.

And he’s represented by CAA.

So even if it makes sense for the 49ers to make a play for Manning, CAA won’t want to see that happen, if the end result is one less CAA client serving as an NFL starting quarterback.

Ditto for the Denver Broncos. When Jimmy Sexton joined CAA last year, he brought Tim Tebow with him. If the Broncos were to add Manning, Tebow would be bumped to the bench, or worse.

So forget about Manning becoming a Bronco.

CAA represents other starters whose teams likely aren’t thinking about making a change, including Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan, Rams quarterback Sam Bradford, Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers, and Lions quarterback Matt Stafford. Beyond that, there are some possible (not likely, but possible) destinations that complicate the careers of other CAA clients.

Buffalo? Ryan Fitzpatrick is another Sexton guy.

Cowboys? Tony Romo is represented by Ken Kremer of CAA.

Jaguars? Blaine Gabbert is a CAA client.

Vikings? Sexton has Christian Ponder.

Bucs? Kremer has Josh Freeman.

Of course, Peyton Manning can be a lot more persuasive and/or insistent than most clients. If he wants to go to San Francisco, he’s going to San Francisco, regardless of what it means for Alex Smith.

Still, the agent serves as the first point of contact, and the agent has plenty of control over who gets a seat at the table. Though it’s hardly the main factor, it’s definitely one of the various things that will go into the broader decision as to where Manning will play in 2012 and beyond.

And Peyton Manning will get priority over anyone. So this is pointless.

Manning will go wherever he pleases, his agent isn't going to get in the way of that.

lcarus · 03-07-2012, 02:16 PM

siberian khatru · 03-07-2012, 02:16 PM

Quote:

As for the offensive line, the right moves can fix that this offseason. Besides, Manning would make the line instantly and significantly better.

Word (and I don't mean Barry).

Mr_Tomahawk · 03-07-2012, 02:17 PM

**The Bad Guy** · 03-07-2012, 02:20 PM

When I canceled my season tickets, the rep basically begged me to stay on. He said that tons of people are canceling tickets and citing Matt Cassel as the reason.

Clark gets those reports, so does Pioli.

They have to go all in on Manning. I think this might be the one time that the fans voice will be heard loud and clear.

If the Chiefs roll out Cassel next year, the fanbase is gone.

**Bowser** · 03-07-2012, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

When I canceled my season tickets, the rep basically begged me to stay on. He said that tons of people are canceling tickets and citing Matt Cassel as the reason.

Clark gets those reports, so does Pioli.

They have to go all in on Manning. I think this might be the one time that the fans voice will be heard loud and clear.

If the Chiefs roll out Cassel next year, the fanbase is gone.

I know I for one won't drop a dime out there if Cassel is our starter opening day.

Mr_Tomahawk · 03-07-2012, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

When I canceled my season tickets, the rep basically begged me to stay on. He said that tons of people are canceling tickets and citing Matt Cassel as the reason.

Clark gets those reports, so does Pioli.

They have to go all in on Manning. I think this might be the one time that the fans voice will be heard loud and clear.

If the Chiefs roll out Cassel next year, the fanbase is gone.

It's nice to hear that CP isnt the only community frustrated with Cassel...

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Mr_Tomahawk Prestige Worldwide Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Spring Hill, KS Casino cash: $-119474	http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-destination/ CAA factor looms over Peyton’s next destination Posted by Mike Florio on March 7, 2012, 2:33 PM EST When picking the next place where Peyton Manning will play, a potentially significant factor arises not from Peyton’s preferences or priorities but from the stable of clients represented by CAA, the agency that represents Manning. CAA handles many athletes and coaches. (The mega-firm even represents some NFL reporters who, coincidentally, know a thing or two about CAA’s football clients.) And CAA will naturally be inclined to steer Peyton away from teams where another CAA client currently serves as the starting quarterback. For starter, consider the 49ers. Alex Smith is the quarterback. He apparently wants to stay. The 49ers apparently want to keep him. There’s no evidence of a strong demand for his services on the open market. And he’s represented by CAA. So even if it makes sense for the 49ers to make a play for Manning, CAA won’t want to see that happen, if the end result is one less CAA client serving as an NFL starting quarterback. Ditto for the Denver Broncos. When Jimmy Sexton joined CAA last year, he brought Tim Tebow with him. If the Broncos were to add Manning, Tebow would be bumped to the bench, or worse. So forget about Manning becoming a Bronco. CAA represents other starters whose teams likely aren’t thinking about making a change, including Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan, Rams quarterback Sam Bradford, Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers, and Lions quarterback Matt Stafford. Beyond that, there are some possible (not likely, but possible) destinations that complicate the careers of other CAA clients. Buffalo? Ryan Fitzpatrick is another Sexton guy. Cowboys? Tony Romo is represented by Ken Kremer of CAA. Jaguars? Blaine Gabbert is a CAA client. Vikings? Sexton has Christian Ponder. Bucs? Kremer has Josh Freeman. Of course, Peyton Manning can be a lot more persuasive and/or insistent than most clients. If he wants to go to San Francisco, he’s going to San Francisco, regardless of what it means for Alex Smith. Still, the agent serves as the first point of contact, and the agent has plenty of control over who gets a seat at the table. Though it’s hardly the main factor, it’s definitely one of the various things that will go into the broader decision as to where Manning will play in 2012 and beyond. __________________ Adopt-A-Chief: John Dorsey
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03-07-2012, 02:10 PM	#680
Mr_Tomahawk Prestige Worldwide Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Spring Hill, KS Casino cash: $-119474	Sam Mellinger \| Chiefs must do everything to get Manning Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/03/07...#storylink=cpy Stuff Peyton Manning full of Boulevard Pale Ale and a Z-Man sandwich. Show him pictures of Arrowhead Stadium on a crisp fall Sunday, play video of Jamaal Charles rushing through the line and Tony Moeaki’s catch against the 49ers last year and — put this one on loop — Dwayne Bowe’s circus grabs in Indianapolis. Whatever it takes. Scott Pioli has a hard job. Being general manager of the Chiefs means an endless string of decisions on a razor’s edge, the wrong answer bringing losses and criticism and ultimately bad news from the boss. Which is why he should be ecstatic, skipping down the halls of the Chiefs’ offices and bear-hugging Romeo Crennel to celebrate the easiest decision of his professional career: Pursue Manning with everything the franchise has. Do this, and a disproportionate amount of the common criticism — cheap ownership, unwilling to make bold moves, too much commitment to Matt Cassel — goes away. Vanishes. This makes too much sense for the Chiefs not to make signing one of five greatest quarterbacks of all time priority No. 1, 2 and 3 this offseason. Pioli’s Chiefs have made do with a mediocre quarterback. Their vision has been clouded by Cassel’s limitations. With rules stacked in favor of passing, the Chiefs have built around running. In three years, it’s produced a one-and-done playoff appearance in one of the NFL’s weakest divisions. This is their chance to fix all that, a gift from the football gods of circumstance. The best part? Every indication is that Pioli and the Chiefs are absolutely doing this. Crennel talks openly and specifically about Manning, almost certainly violated the NFL’s tampering rules in the process. Pioli talks openly and specifically about improving the quarterback position. Clark Hunt talks openly and specifically about the enormous gap between what the Chiefs currently spend and what they’ll be required to spend in 2013 not being an issue. So the talking points from the three most powerful men in the organization all point toward signing Manning to what would almost certainly be the highest annual salary in franchise history. Manning will be able to choose virtually any franchise he wants. He is in a great spot. One projection says he’d make the biggest impact in Arizona, adding four wins. The Dolphins could use him. Seattle, too. And Washington. The list goes on and on, so the Chiefs will have to make their case. They’ll have to show Manning more than the money. His first question might be how the Chiefs plan on fixing their broken offensive line, because he always had one of the league’s best in Indy. The Chiefs will also have to accept a significant risk. Manning hasn’t thrown a meaningful pass in more than a year. He had three neck surgeries in 19 months. Nobody can be certain when or even if he’ll fully recover. Bringing him in means overhauling the existing system for Manning’s. Even forgetting the neck, Manning turns 36 this month. Only five starting quarterbacks at that age have ever had higher passing ratings than Cassel’s 93.0 mark in 2010. Only three — Johnny Unitas, Jim Plunkett and John Elway — have won a Super Bowl after their 36th birthday. It’s just that the Chiefs are terrifically positioned to absorb the risk and accentuate the potential reward. The last five years or so of frugal spending mean they can make the money work. The franchise tag on Bowe, Moeaki’s presumed healing and Jon Baldwin’s presumed development mean Manning would have one of the league’s best group of receivers. Charles’ presumed healing means he’d have one of the best running backs. As for the offensive line, the right moves can fix that this offseason. Besides, Manning would make the line instantly and significantly better. And if it turns out that Manning can’t play, or is only a vague representation of his former self, then Cassel becomes a workable insurance policy. The Chiefs are in a unique spot where the rewards of signing Manning mean more, and the risks mean less. Pioli will have missed a franchise-altering opportunity if he doesn’t pursue this. NFL decisions never come this easy. To reach Sam Mellinger, call 816-234-4365, send email to [email protected] or follow twitter.com/mellinger. For previous columns, go to KansasCity.com. Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/03/07...#storylink=cpy __________________ Adopt-A-Chief: John Dorsey
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The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9283645	When I canceled my season tickets, the rep basically begged me to stay on. He said that tons of people are canceling tickets and citing Matt Cassel as the reason. Clark gets those reports, so does Pioli. They have to go all in on Manning. I think this might be the one time that the fans voice will be heard loud and clear. If the Chiefs roll out Cassel next year, the fanbase is gone. __________________
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