***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Mennonite]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Local officials close or announce future date for closing the Florida beaches
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the mayors of Miami Beach and Fort Lauderdale, two of the most popular beach destinations in the state, issued orders to close their beaches this past Sunday.

Public beaches in the city of Tampa are also closed, until further notice, city officials said.

Naples announced Wednesday that it would close its beaches until March 30.

All public beaches in Miami-Dade County will close as of Thursday night, Mayor Carlos A. Gimenez announced Wednesday. Parks, nonessential retail, private educational facilities, casinos and other recreational and entertainment activities, are also ordered closed or restricted as of Thursday night, he said.

On the state's Gulf Coast, beaches in Lee County will also close Thursday night, according to county officials. Popular beach vacation destinations Fort Myers and Sanibel are located in Lee.

On Wednesday, Clearwater voted to close its beaches starting Monday, March 23.

"I think that I am familiar with the fact that you are going to ignore this particular problem until it swims up and INFECTS YOU IN THE LUNGS!"





Anybody ever notice the boulders on the old guy at the beginning of Jaws?





How much you figure them puppies weigh?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by KChiefs1

What is the big deal with Trump calling it the Chinese Virus?

Over the shoulder boulder holder.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Local officials close or announce future date for closing the Florida beaches
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the mayors of Miami Beach and Fort Lauderdale, two of the most popular beach destinations in the state, issued orders to close their beaches this past Sunday.

Public beaches in the city of Tampa are also closed, until further notice, city officials said.

Naples announced Wednesday that it would close its beaches until March 30.

All public beaches in Miami-Dade County will close as of Thursday night, Mayor Carlos A. Gimenez announced Wednesday. Parks, nonessential retail, private educational facilities, casinos and other recreational and entertainment activities, are also ordered closed or restricted as of Thursday night, he said.

On the state's Gulf Coast, beaches in Lee County will also close Thursday night, according to county officials. Popular beach vacation destinations Fort Myers and Sanibel are located in Lee.

On Wednesday, Clearwater voted to close its beaches starting Monday, March 23.

I get stopping the young people partying and such, but that seems a bit much. You can't even go a for a walk along the beach now?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Demonpenz

assholes that suck.

how do you get it to do that?

[burt]

Originally Posted by Monticore

how do you get it to do that?

I bet you want to know for a friend....

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin

They have to be at least 1500 pounds for me to get close. Most of my boulders at my rockyard are 1500-5000 pounds.

You a boulder hoarder?

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Hey guys here is a bunch of info on chloroquine as a treatment or preventative measure. Sounds encouraging.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e...VjIL-7deJ7/pub

FDA is now saying don't expect this anytime soon. They will want to do a bunch of trials and that will take forever probably.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Local officials close or announce future date for closing the Florida beaches
———————————————————-
the mayors of Miami Beach and Fort Lauderdale, two of the most popular beach destinations in the state, issued orders to close their beaches this past Sunday.

Public beaches in the city of Tampa are also closed, until further notice, city officials said.

Naples announced Wednesday that it would close its beaches until March 30.

All public beaches in Miami-Dade County will close as of Thursday night, Mayor Carlos A. Gimenez announced Wednesday. Parks, nonessential retail, private educational facilities, casinos and other recreational and entertainment activities, are also ordered closed or restricted as of Thursday night, he said.

On the state's Gulf Coast, beaches in Lee County will also close Thursday night, according to county officials. Popular beach vacation destinations Fort Myers and Sanibel are located in Lee.

On Wednesday, Clearwater voted to close its beaches starting Monday, March 23.

Probably wise.

I think ultimately the optics are worse than the actual threat (being outdoors in open spaces w/ high 'ventilation' and higher heat/humidity is going to SEVERELY restrict the viruses ability to survive outside a host and thus infect people), but there will be some significantly diminished level of transmission that is frankly, unnecessary.

1,000 people riding the subway is probably FAR more dangerous than 10,000 people on a sandy beach, but it's still just not a good look and it's an unreasonably reckless risk.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by burt

I bet you want to know for a friend....

for science.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

FDA is now saying don't expect this anytime soon. They will want to do a bunch of trials and that will take forever probably.

Its already been approved for treatment from what I read earlier. WTH who knows what to believe anymore.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

FDA is now saying don't expect this anytime soon. They will want to do a bunch of trials and that will take forever probably.

I wonder if that speaks primarily to wholesale implementation.

Hamas mentioned certain demographics don't respond well or suffer adverse side effects due to these cocktails (IIRC) and that would seem to suggest that maybe they're going to have to firm up data before they simply take their hands off the wheel and allow it to be used across the board.

Especially if, as I believe Hamas suggested, there are concerns over growing resistance and thus long-term declines in efficacy.

But it would seem that they could allow targeted applications fairly quickly. And public pressure will mount exponentially to do exactly that.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

FDA is now saying don't expect this anytime soon. They will want to do a bunch of trials and that will take forever probably.

Didn't this administration sign a bill for this type of thing "Right to Try". maybe provisions of that law could be used to go around the FDA

[Marcellus]

Ah I see its been approved in limited cases.

[srvy]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Dude. Are you just completely incapable of making a post in this thread that doesn't try to coyly allude to government failure? Get the **** out of the thread if you can't help yourself.

Just boot his dumb ass. How many warnings does he get?

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Didn't this administration sign a bill for this type of thing "Right to Try". maybe provisions of that law could be used to go around the FDA

“I have directed the FDA to eliminate rules and bureaucracy so work can proceed rapidly, quickly and fast,” Trump said. "We have to remove every barrier.”

FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn explained during the press conference it would be allowed under what’s known “compassionate use” -- where doctors can request to use the experimental drug and get permission from the FDA to give to patients. Hahn also said he didn't want to give "false hope" but said he was hopeful about the treatments.

On chloroquine, Trump said it's shown "very, very encouraging early results. And we’re going to be able to make that drug available almost immediately.”

Addressing potential safety concerns, Trump noted that it had been used previously in treating malaria, “so we know if things don't go as planned, it’s not going to kill anybody.”

He also said another drug, remdesivir, would be made available too. He said it would remain to be seen whether it would help combat the crisis.

“And that’s a drug used for other purposes that’s been out and it’s had very good results for other purposes, but it seems to have a very good result having to do with this virus. And that drug also has been approved, or very close to approved in that case, by the FDA.”

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