***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Donger

I get stopping the young people partying and such, but that seems a bit much. You can't even go a for a walk along the beach now?

Its spring break. They are making tons of money off these spring breakers. It has to have been real hard for these local officials to close the beaches. Businesses and people counting on that money every year.

The general consensus is that they acted after all the bad publicity and videos of masses of people frolicking on the beaches went viral. It was a bad look in a crisis.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Its already been approved for treatment from what I read earlier. WTH who knows what to believe anymore.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I wonder if that speaks primarily to wholesale implementation.

Hamas mentioned certain demographics don't respond well or suffer adverse side effects due to these cocktails (IIRC) and that would seem to suggest that maybe they're going to have to firm up data before they simply take their hands off the wheel and allow it to be used across the board.

Especially if, as I believe Hamas suggested, there are concerns over growing resistance and thus long-term declines in efficacy.

But it would seem that they could allow targeted applications fairly quickly. And public pressure will mount exponentially to do exactly that.

They're some demographics that have side effects, but those IIRC, are able to me monitored and treated on their own.

They're doing a huge test of this in France right now that we should have some good results on in a week.

I'm hopeful. I talked to a pharmacy buddy about it.

[burt]

Originally Posted by Monticore

for science.

.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Central China TV
“Expert” : “The US pushed out the vaccine so quickly, that only means they have been working on it way before the pandemic.”
Host: “So we can conclude that the US had this virus in their possession long ago”

CCP nonstop smear campaign

pic.twitter.com/56YcQr4cbP

— 黃子茵 霧亭 全民大契約 (@wutingzy) March 19, 2020

Loo

[Discuss Thrower]

Politics but you'll hear no argument for me that we've made the wrong choices with China dating back to Nixon.

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Can someone explain this to me because I am honestly at a loss on this.

H1N1 first case was April 15th 2009, day 72 was June 26th and there were 1MM known cases in the US.

This is day 72 of Covid 19 and we are around 10,000 know n cases. This cant be THAt much lower just due to lack of testing can it?

Here is the timeline.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...-timeline.html

In short, yes, it is due to a lack of testing. Here is a daily update on the number of tests run by the CDC and public health labs: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ing-in-us.html

By day 72 of H1N1 we were averaging over 13K confirmations/day if you include all 72 days. That means there were literally millions of tests done in that time span.

With COVID-19 we're still at under 40K tests total, and the vast, vast majority of those have been in the past three weeks...meaning we lost close to two months of prep time and data collection.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by ShowtimeSBMVP

Central China TV
“Expert” : “The US pushed out the vaccine so quickly, that only means they have been working on it way before the pandemic.”
Host: “So we can conclude that the US had this virus in their possession long ago”

CCP nonstop smear campaign

pic.twitter.com/56YcQr4cbP

— 黃子茵 霧亭 全民大契約 (@wutingzy) March 19, 2020

Loo

**** around and find out China.

[burt]

Originally Posted by srvy

Just boot his dumb ass. How many warnings does he get?

Geez.... a shit ton. He's a good dude and one of us. Seems like everyones vagina is exposed....

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by srvy

Just boot his dumb ass. How many warnings does he get?

maybe you should quit worrying about other posters and contribute some knowledge to the thread.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by O.city

They're some demographics that have side effects, but those IIRC, are able to me monitored and treated on their own.

They're doing a huge test of this in France right now that we should have some good results on in a week.

I'm hopeful. I talked to a pharmacy buddy about it.

My Mom is a pharmacist and is also very excited about these developments. She had talked to me about trials being done in other countries, but no news media here was giving it much attention.

This drug has been around since the 1950's I believe. It's cheap and fairly easy to make. There are possible side effects (as with any medication) - but that's a calculated risk we have to take.

Fire up the production line and get this shit out.

[burt]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

contribute some knowledge to the thread.

I would....but comparatively, I have no knowledge. I've got more info from this thread than I can get anywhere else!!

[DJ's left nut]

I'm just saying that if anyone interferes with my ability to stress-type and subject you to my own thoughts as I attempt to organize them in real-time, I'm climbing a bell-tower somewhere.

Y'all are the only captive audience I have. You have to sit there and take it while I type things.

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

maybe you should quit worrying about other posters and contribute some knowledge to the thread.

Yes please offer your thoughts on our Boulder delema

[srvy]

Originally Posted by burt

Geez.... a shit ton. He's a good dude and one of us. Seems like everyones vagina is exposed....

He is a dick he has been warned plenty times here and he says I'm sorry and does it again. He is an overreacting bs spreading blowhard.

[Discuss Thrower]

So you just blast asymptomatic people who have been in close verifiable proximity to confirmed infected with the malaria meds?