Chiefs Pioli Deserves Props - Page 49

Hoover · 04-29-2012, 09:12 AM

The NFL draft is a lot like Christmas morning. There is a lot of anticipation leading up to the big day, and when the time finally arrives to see what’s under the tree for us we can sometimes be a little disappointed.

We all remember the Christmas that we got everything we wanted. For Chiefs fans that was last year. We got a QB, WR, DBs, and LBs. Heck we even liked the more practical gifts like a Rodney Hudson. Frankly, the 2011 draft gave us a lot to play with, and we used them.

After a big year like 2011, some of you seem down. Sure we got the big present we always talk about (NT), but its’ not as cool as we thought it would be. We also ended up with some more practical gifts than we expected.

Here is how I view this draft, and to be honest I’m pretty stoked about it.

After having a draft like we did in 2011 where we seemed to hit on almost every pick, it wasn’t necessary for the Chiefs to snag additional pass rushers to sit behind guys like Hali and Houston. While we are still a little shallow when it comes to the safety position and could use some depth at center, the Chiefs are well positioned. In fact, I think the practicality of the 2012 Chiefs draft will allow them the flexibility in future drafts to aggressively seek out play makers to add to this team.

If there is one thing that I think Pioli deserves credit for, it’s rebuilding the Chiefs offensive live. While Albert was already hear when he arrived, Pioli not only filled a glaring hole at RT when he signed Eric Winston, but his last three drafts has set the Chiefs on a course to maintain a quality offensive line for years to come.

Many on this board recoiled at any suggestion that the Chiefs should use their first round pick on a lineman. After all the heated debates about the value of DeCastro, Pioli seems to agree with those who don’t want to invest first round picks on the line. Maybe instead of bitching that we didn’t have the Steelers’ draft, some of you should praise Pioli for doing exactly what you advocated for.

In the last three years, Pioli has taken four offensive linemen in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the draft. Asamoah and Hudson are now starters. Jeff Allen is going to push Ryan Lilja for a starting spot at guard, but is more likely to be seasoned for a year before finding a permanent home on the life. I know it’s sometimes hard to get excited about the offensive line, but Pioli obviously has a process that seems to be working really well.

Picking back-to-back tackles isn’t as exciting as drafting guys like Justin Houston or Javier Arenas, but it feeds a system that can produce quality linemen that allows the Chiefs not use first round picks on offensive tackles, guards, or centers. It also means that the Chiefs will not be forced to commit free agent dollars on those positions either.

We are lucky to have landed Winston this offseason. Without him there would probably be no Poe. I like how Pioli is building this team. While I continue to be frustrated about Cassel, finding a franchise QB is never easy. We have had three solid drafts under Pioli and we can already see the results. Yes we need to find a QB, but at least we are building a strong team while we continue to look for him.

Hammock Parties · 05-02-2012, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

So you would have canned Manning after his rookie year?...

Are you serious?

The guy threw for 3800 yards and 26 TD.

How is that comparable to 130 YPG?

O.city · 05-02-2012, 01:39 PM

Did the Bucs not have a pretty cushy schedule in 2010 as well?

suzzer99 · 05-02-2012, 01:40 PM

I predict that Cassel will start off strong next year. Problem is this is probably a bad thing for us.

Micjones · 05-02-2012, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

Well, yeah. He had 12 starts and then never showed shit ever again.

Did you miss the part where he had 12, and only 12, NFL starts?
He's played in 14 games TOTAL. He started in 12.

Quote:

He's 27. That's a long ****ing time to not show anyone shit at any point that they think you're worth anything.

Josh Freeman showed a whole hell of alot in 2010.

He was also 9 starts into his NFL career.

Micjones · 05-02-2012, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

That's not silly. There's an enormous age gap, and Freeman is only 24.

So, as long as he's younger...it doesn't matter that the numbers, currently, suggest he's not a significant upgrade (IF he's an upgrade at all)?

**BigMeatballDave** · 05-02-2012, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

No. He's never gone 3500 25/6.

He's just another giant bust.

Ryan Leaf got 21 starts. He's an obvious bust.

Quinn has 12. 12 ****ing starts is not enough to judge. I'd give Stanzi more than 12 starts and he's a ****ing 5th round pick.

**The Franchise** · 05-02-2012, 01:52 PM

Quinn still has a chance.

Pasta Little Brioni · 05-02-2012, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Did the Bucs not have a pretty cushy schedule in 2010 as well?

Of course they did, but those games only don't count for KC.

Just like Cincy getting a good ball polishing.

htismaqe · 05-02-2012, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

So, as long as he's younger...it doesn't matter that the numbers, currently, suggest he's not a significant upgrade (IF he's an upgrade at all)?

That's just the thing...

The numbers CURRENTLY suggest - one of them is 24, the other is 30. Come on man, to not acknowledge basic human aging is just being stubborn...

CrazyHorse · 05-02-2012, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

Freeman played like a young franchise QB in 2010.

Both did. If you want to call that level of play a franchise level. Now they're showing inconsitency. Again, whats your pioint? Freeman is growing in the wrong direction to be considered the answer. You're grasping at straws.

This is less about Freeman and more about justifying your overreaction to anything Pioli. This is the straw you're using to connect your claim that its a conspiracy between Clark Hunt, Pioli, and Cassel to build up the team in all areas only to sabotage it with Cassel. All to perpetuate mediocracy and pissing and moaning amonst fans.

Its funny watching you chicken littles scurrying around building your conspiracy theories. You guys are so sensative, and everything is so over the top.

Carry on.

Micjones · 05-02-2012, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

That's just the thing...

The numbers CURRENTLY suggest - one of them is 24, the other is 30. Come on man, to not acknowledge basic human aging is just being stubborn...

I honestly don't think Freeman's age is important to the discussion.
He's younger, but he's still logged three seasons with his current team.
It's not like he's got 5 more years to prove his worth to the Bucs.
He has, give or take, 1 more season to prove he was worth that pick.

24 or 44.

I'm NOT arguing Cassel will improve. I'm not arguing that he needs more time.
I'm simply saying that if we KNOW what we have in Cassel after 54 starts...we're pretty close to knowing what Tampa has in Freeman. I guess we'll find out come mid-December. If I were a betting man, I'd put $100 on the fact that he won't play well enough in those 13 games to have made a compelling argument that he's clearly better than Cassel. History shows he won't play that brand of mistake-free football. Not over an extended period of time.

htismaqe · 05-02-2012, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones

I honestly don't think Freeman's age is important to the discussion.
He's younger, but he's still logged three seasons with his current team.
It's not like he's got 5 more years to prove his worth to the Bucs.
He has, give or take, 1 more season to prove he was worth that pick.

24 or 44.

I'm NOT arguing Cassel will improve. I'm not arguing that he needs more time.
I'm simply saying that if we KNOW what we have in Cassel after 54 starts...we're pretty close to knowing what Tampa has in Freeman. I guess we'll find out come mid-December. If I were a betting man, I'd put $100 on the fact that he won't play well enough in those 13 games to have made a compelling argument that he's clearly better than Cassel. History shows he won't play that brand of mistake-free football. Not over an extended period of time.

A 24-year old body is possibly still maturing, especially with modern sports medicine.

A 24-year old mind is ABSOLUTELY still maturing.

Take the football out of it and look at them as human beings. One of them is chronologically "maxed out". Period.

kcbubb · 05-02-2012, 02:18 PM

The Chiefs schedule for the first six games before the bye is:

• Sept. 9: Atlanta, noon (Fox)

• Sept. 16: at Buffalo, noon (CBS)

• Sept. 23: at New Orleans, noon (CBS)

• Sept. 30: San Diego, noon (CBS)

• Oct. 7: Baltimore, noon (CBS)

• Oct. 14: at Tampa Bay, noon (CBS)

How bad does the Chiefs record have to be in order to pull Cassel and start Quinn?

**The Franchise** · 05-02-2012, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones

I honestly don't think Freeman's age is important to the discussion.
He's younger, but he's still logged three seasons with his current team.
It's not like he's got 5 more years to prove his worth to the Bucs.
He has, give or take, 1 more season to prove he was worth that pick.

24 or 44.

I'm NOT arguing Cassel will improve. I'm not arguing that he needs more time.
I'm simply saying that if we KNOW what we have in Cassel after 54 starts...we're pretty close to knowing what Tampa has in Freeman. I guess we'll find out come mid-December. If I were a betting man, I'd put $100 on the fact that he won't play well enough in those 13 games to have made a compelling argument that he's clearly better than Cassel. History shows he won't play that brand of mistake-free football. Not over an extended period of time.

htismaqe · 05-02-2012, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcbubb

The Chiefs schedule for the first six games before the bye is:

• Sept. 9: Atlanta, noon (Fox)

• Sept. 16: at Buffalo, noon (CBS)

• Sept. 23: at New Orleans, noon (CBS)

• Sept. 30: San Diego, noon (CBS)

• Oct. 7: Baltimore, noon (CBS)

• Oct. 14: at Tampa Bay, noon (CBS)

How bad does the Chiefs record have to be in order to pull Cassel and start Quinn?

Even if they're winless, he'll still start.

04-29-2012, 09:12 AM
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $1168179	Pioli Deserves Props The NFL draft is a lot like Christmas morning. There is a lot of anticipation leading up to the big day, and when the time finally arrives to see what’s under the tree for us we can sometimes be a little disappointed. We all remember the Christmas that we got everything we wanted. For Chiefs fans that was last year. We got a QB, WR, DBs, and LBs. Heck we even liked the more practical gifts like a Rodney Hudson. Frankly, the 2011 draft gave us a lot to play with, and we used them. After a big year like 2011, some of you seem down. Sure we got the big present we always talk about (NT), but its’ not as cool as we thought it would be. We also ended up with some more practical gifts than we expected. Here is how I view this draft, and to be honest I’m pretty stoked about it. After having a draft like we did in 2011 where we seemed to hit on almost every pick, it wasn’t necessary for the Chiefs to snag additional pass rushers to sit behind guys like Hali and Houston. While we are still a little shallow when it comes to the safety position and could use some depth at center, the Chiefs are well positioned. In fact, I think the practicality of the 2012 Chiefs draft will allow them the flexibility in future drafts to aggressively seek out play makers to add to this team. If there is one thing that I think Pioli deserves credit for, it’s rebuilding the Chiefs offensive live. While Albert was already hear when he arrived, Pioli not only filled a glaring hole at RT when he signed Eric Winston, but his last three drafts has set the Chiefs on a course to maintain a quality offensive line for years to come. Many on this board recoiled at any suggestion that the Chiefs should use their first round pick on a lineman. After all the heated debates about the value of DeCastro, Pioli seems to agree with those who don’t want to invest first round picks on the line. Maybe instead of bitching that we didn’t have the Steelers’ draft, some of you should praise Pioli for doing exactly what you advocated for. In the last three years, Pioli has taken four offensive linemen in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the draft. Asamoah and Hudson are now starters. Jeff Allen is going to push Ryan Lilja for a starting spot at guard, but is more likely to be seasoned for a year before finding a permanent home on the life. I know it’s sometimes hard to get excited about the offensive line, but Pioli obviously has a process that seems to be working really well. Picking back-to-back tackles isn’t as exciting as drafting guys like Justin Houston or Javier Arenas, but it feeds a system that can produce quality linemen that allows the Chiefs not use first round picks on offensive tackles, guards, or centers. It also means that the Chiefs will not be forced to commit free agent dollars on those positions either. We are lucky to have landed Winston this offseason. Without him there would probably be no Poe. I like how Pioli is building this team. While I continue to be frustrated about Cassel, finding a franchise QB is never easy. We have had three solid drafts under Pioli and we can already see the results. Yes we need to find a QB, but at least we are building a strong team while we continue to look for him.
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