Brandon Flowers done

[OldSchool]

Just want to say thanks to the Hunt family for the 6years in Kansas City thanks to the fans and my teammates for some great years.

— Brandon Flowers (@BFlowers24) June 13, 2014

Sounds like Brandon Flowers has just been traded or released.

— Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) June 13, 2014

Sounds like Brandon Flowers is out. Stay tuned

— Adam Teicher (@adamteicher) June 13, 2014

Detroit - a rumored destination for Brandon Flowers - just released Chris Houston, too.

— Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) June 13, 2014

The #Chiefs have announced they’ve released cornerback Brandon Flowers.

— Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) June 13, 2014

Chiefs released CB Brandon Flowers.
Flowers' performance and usefulness in Kansas City slipped dramatically under new DC Bob Sutton last season, as a press-man scheme was installed in the secondary and Flowers failed to find a fit. He wound up mostly at slot corner, and was beaten relentlessly. The Chiefs were trying to trade Flowers, but found no takers for his contract. Flowers had some of the best years of his career under now-Texans DC Romeo Crennel, and cornerback depth is needed in Houston. We wouldn't be surprised to see them reunite. Flowers turned 28 in February.
Related: Texans, Chiefs
Jun 13 - 3:04 PM

Chargers agreed to terms with CB Brandon Flowers on a one-year contract.
The deal is worth "up to" $5 million and contains $3 million in total guarantees. Despite an anemic 2013 season as a misfit in Bob Sutton's press-man scheme, Flowers found a full bushel of suitors after the Chiefs released him 11 days ago. He lands in a spot where he can immediately rehab his value as a starting corner and then hit the open market again at age 29. Flowers put plenty of really good tape together from 2008-12, and will add borderline Pro Bowl shadow ability to a pass defense that ranked 29th in the league last year. With first-round corner Jason Verrett also added to incumbents Shareece Wright and Richard Marshall, this won't be quite the unit to pick on that it was last season.

He's a Charger now.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by RunKC

It's like people are scared and think that young players taking over is a question mark of the highest order. Yes it is a question mark, but I'll damn well take Commings, Watkins and Kelce over the players who started at their position last year.

You're talking about:

A converted CB who has a history of injury problems (he was hurt all the time at UGA)

A TE who can't even get cleared to get on the practice field and who had a very high-risk surgery that a big portion of guys never come back from (this isn't an ACL or Tommy John).

A G who is 2/2 in reporting to training camp overweight so far in his NFL career, who was not that big of a standout in college, was cut by an NFL team with severe line problems (Rams) and has yet to play a snap for the Chiefs.

Only a homer would look at those three with with assurance they'd be upgrades over Lewis, McGrath and Asamoah/Schwartz.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

You're talking about:

A converted CB who has a history of injury problems (he was hurt all the time at UGA)

A TE who can't even get cleared to get on the practice field and who had a very high-risk surgery that a big portion of guys never come back from (this isn't an ACL or Tommy John).

A G who is 2/2 in reporting to training camp overweight so far in his NFL career, who was not that big of a standout in college, was cut by an NFL team with severe line problems (Rams) and has yet to play a snap for the Chiefs.

Only a homer would look at those three with with assurance they'd be upgrades over Lewis, McGrath and Asamoah/Schwartz.

In what way can they be downgrades? We're talking about the worst safety in the league, a below average at best TE, and a career backup/the guy he replaced.

It won't be tough at all to replace their production.
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[lcarus]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

You're talking about:

A converted CB who has a history of injury problems (he was hurt all the time at UGA)

A TE who can't even get cleared to get on the practice field and who had a very high-risk surgery that a big portion of guys never come back from (this isn't an ACL or Tommy John).

A G who is 2/2 in reporting to training camp overweight so far in his NFL career, who was not that big of a standout in college, was cut by an NFL team with severe line problems (Rams) and has yet to play a snap for the Chiefs.

Only a homer would look at those three with with assurance they'd be upgrades over Lewis, McGrath and Asamoah/Schwartz.

Anything is an upgrade over Lewis. The rest I agree with.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by -King-

In what way can they be downgrades? We're talking about the worst safety in the league, a below average at best TE, and a career backup/the guy he replaced.

It won't be tough at all to replace their production.
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You can't be an upgrade if you can't get on the field, and 2/3 haven't shown they can get on and stay on the field.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

The Raiders 2 years ago were a rebuild when they cut everyone. I don't view a rebuild as replacing pieces when a new regime takes over.

Rebuild to me is gutting the entire roster, much like this team did in 2008.

You can blow things up to rebuild, or you can get new parts and replace old parts a little at a time to rebuild.

They are rebuilding a couple of parts at a time.

But make no mistake, this is a rebuild.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by BossChief

They would have only needed to cover his base of 5.25 and his wo bonus of 250,000.

5.5 total

The 7.5 we saved was due to prorated bonuses that were already paid bit count against our cap because the accelerate...cutting him after June 1 let us spread the hit over 2 years and has nothing to do with what a team trading for him needed in terms of cap space.

He had a 2 million training camp bonus. It was 7.5

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by milkman

You can blow things up to rebuild, or you can get new parts and replace old parts a little at a time to rebuild.

They are rebuilding a couple of parts at a time.

But make no mistake, this is a rebuild.

This is probably a strictly semantics thing for me.

If I'm rebuilding, I'm blowing up the whole roster, and using the draft as a resource to build the entire roster.

If I'm re-tooling, I'm going about it the Dorsey way.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

This is probably a strictly semantics thing for me.

If I'm rebuilding, I'm blowing up the whole roster, and using the draft as a resource to build the entire roster.

If I'm re-tooling, I'm going about it the Dorsey way.

Turning over 82% of the roster isn't blowing it up?

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by lcarus

Anything is an upgrade over Lewis. The rest I agree with.

We think this, but it isn't necessarily true. It's possible that neither Abdullah nor Commings is any better than Lewis.

We can HOPE Abdullah didn't play early because of his year off from football and that he comes back and plays at a higher level. But there's still a degree of hope there.

We can HOPE that Commings will convert well to S, stay healthy, and make a positive impact in Year 1, but he's a complete unknown who could be just as bad as Lewis.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by lcarus

Anything is an upgrade over Cassel.

That was what this post looked like 2 years ago.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by milkman

That was what this post looked like 2 years ago.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

You're talking about:

A converted CB who has a history of injury problems (he was hurt all the time at UGA)

A TE who can't even get cleared to get on the practice field and who had a very high-risk surgery that a big portion of guys never come back from (this isn't an ACL or Tommy John).

A G who is 2/2 in reporting to training camp overweight so far in his NFL career, who was not that big of a standout in college, was cut by an NFL team with severe line problems (Rams) and has yet to play a snap for the Chiefs.

Only a homer would look at those three with with assurance they'd be upgrades over Lewis, McGrath and Asamoah/Schwartz.

Lewis' shoulder was a problem the last couple years.

Kelce was on the field yesterday going 100% and is said to be ready for camp.

Haven't heard about Watkins being overweight?

[TEX]

Originally Posted by -King-

In what way can they be downgrades? We're talking about the worst safety in the league, a below average at best TE, and a career backup/the guy he replaced.

It won't be tough at all to replace their production.
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Your "career backup" argument when referring to Schwartz is anything but solid, yet you continue to use it. True, at one time he WAS that until he played himself into a solid starter. Rich Gannon was a "career backup" at one point too... There's a point there, but you're so intent on proving yours all the time, you miss many other valid ones.

Regarding your question, I'll answer it with one - How can you count on injured guys to be upgrades??? Especially guys who haven't even proven they belong in the NFL and one of which who had microfracture surgery...You cant.

The Chiefs have lost the most talent in the NFL and replaced it with the least amount of proven talent. In doing so they have created holes where they didnt exist last year. They have far too many questions for them all to work out.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Lewis' shoulder was a problem the last couple years.

Kelce was on the field yesterday going 100% and is said to be ready for camp.

Haven't heard about Watkins being overweight?

Don't know what will happen this year, but Watkins reported to TC overweight in 2012 and 2013. In one of those years, he was cut by a team with HUGE problems on the OL (Rams).

Has Kelce been cleared for full contact? I didn't see that he actually practiced yesterday. Good sign either way. Micro fracture just has such a high potential for severe loss of ability, it's hard to count on much from him until we see it isn't an issue.

[Marco Polo]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/...ers-still-free

Every June, a few players are released who appear as good as any free agents from earlier in the off season. The Patriots' grabbing jettisoned Chargers safety Rodney Harrison comes to mind. He led an all-rookie secondary to a Super Bowl victory over the Eagles. Last week, the Chiefs cut cornerback Brandon Flowers. In a league starved for cover corners, it seemed he would be gobbled up in a few minutes but he's still free. Ten teams were rumored to be interested, but only a few were identified.
Interest and commitment so signing him are two different things. There is a progression to resolving his situation, and it isn't as smooth a road as one would assume.
Step 1 -- Does he make a team better? While there are indications he may not be a top-flight corner, teams looking for a starter with the cap space have Flowers on their radar. I found seven teams fitting those qualifications (in alphabetical order): 49ers, Jaguars, Jets, Panthers, Raiders, Steelers and Titans. Note, the Falcons, where former Chiefs GM Scott Pioli is now an assistant GM, is not on the list.
Step 2 -- Review his 2013 season: Why did the Chiefs release him? One teammate said Flowers was the club's best tackler, but his current salary (his cap hit was a reported $10.5M for 2014) is out of line for any team to match this upcoming season, so Flowers must come to grips with possibly getting half of what he was making in Kansas City amid concerns about where he fits.
One opposing coach who schemed against him twice said, "[Flowers] appeared out of gas, DeSean Jackson exposed his lack of ability to run with speed receivers, and he probably belongs as a slot nickel and not an outside player."
Other evaluators expressed concerns about Flowers' maturity level. A sampling:
One coach: "He wants to be the leader of the secondary, but he belongs in the nickel position and he's more of a zone cover two guy than a man-to-man guy, and that will be a problem with his ego."
Another position coach: "He tends to blame the coaches when things go bad."
A scout: "Flowers wasn't particularly good to Romeo Crenel or Emmitt Thomas."
Those comments raise doubts about coachability which need to be resolved in a daylong interview.
A former teammate said, "There was a time when Flowers was the man. Now he's kind of out a gas." But another coach said, "I wish we signed him, because he is an upgrade."
There is some debate about how many big plays he gave up last season, but the range is between 9 and 13.
Step 3 -- Determine what he is: Rather than a starter, signs point to Flowers as a nickel corner who probably belongs in underneath zone coverage and not isolated on speed receivers who prefer vertical routes.
Step 4 -- Does he fit in the locker room? One former teammate described Flowers as a bit of a loner. It doesn't appear he would come to a new team and try and dominate the locker room. He was one of only two players who didn't show up for the spring off-season program in Kansas City and he has lost a lot of money by being released. He appears to be more of a one-year rental who is young enough (28) to reinvent his career with a solid season.
Step 5 -- Bring him in for a workout and interview: If he declines, walk away or make a low-ball offer and hold your ground. Despite his perception among some observers, some teams will see him as an upgrade and the pool of free agents isn't very strong at this point.