Chiefs Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel - Page 49

**DaFace** · 04:32 PM

Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.
By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.

htismaqe · 10-17-2018, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

You specifically being the guy that has been the most adamant that we go all in on a SB run this season, it would seem you would be fine with the hold him out as long as possible then get as many games out of him as you can later in the year approach and not be worried about him having surgery this off season.

First of all, he isn't going to come back and play well right off the bat. He isn't in "football shape" for one and two, he's going to playing with some level of pain, probably a lot of pain. Again, it's a deformity, not an injury. Everything we've read to this point suggests it's not going to get better, he's going to have to play through it.

Second, it's a 16-game season. There won't be a Super Bowl run if we don't win the right games along the way.

That's why he needs to play sooner rather than later.

htismaqe · 10-17-2018, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Everyone assuming the bone deformity is the problem and not the bursa being inflamed.

One is causing the other, correct?

bricks · 10-17-2018, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

He won't be back "healthy" though. It's not an injury, it's a deformity. It's going to be painful no matter what he does, short of having surgery.

Eric Berry is a warrior. I have no doubts he can battle through this and come back strong. He did it before and I have confidence he will do it again.

“Pain” a lot of it depends on our perception and threshold. If those two factors are compromised, then there is always different treatment approaches or strategies to help manage the pain.

There are so many things he could do to minimize pain and increase comfort. He could constantly ice his heal, massage it, wear padings or insoles to minimize shock absorption so that way not as much pressure is applied to the heal area. Heck, give him some pain killers as well!! Im no doctor but I do believe with the right treatment approaches and strategies, plus seeing how Eric Berry is as an individual, I feel he could overcome this.

All we need him for is at the most important times, the playoffs! And when the season is done he could get surgical procedures in place to shave off those bone spurs in his heal and then go from there.

Now I know the amount we are paying him isn’t worth lets say 2 or 3 games he plays during the season, but what the heck? Shit happens in life and we gotta deal with it. The fact that Berry is staying with the team and opted not to go on the IR list says he is not a quitter.

Imon Yourside · 10-17-2018, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

You specifically being the guy that has been the most adamant that we go all in on a SB run this season, it would seem you would be fine with the hold him out as long as possible then get as many games out of him as you can later in the year approach and not be worried about him having surgery this off season.

What are you going to say when he's close to coming back in the Divisional round? AFCCG? Super Bowl?

2 weeks until the Super Bowl...Will Berry return coach?

He's close, I would say day to day. It's like a scene from airplane where the plane makes an emergency landing and the guy pops in the cockpit saying I just wanted to let you know good luck we're all counting on you.

Marcellus · 10-17-2018, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

First of all, he isn't going to come back and play well right off the bat. He isn't in "football shape" for one and two, he's going to playing with some level of pain, probably a lot of pain. Again, it's a deformity, not an injury. Everything we've read to this point suggests it's not going to get better, he's going to have to play through it.

Second, it's a 16-game season. There won't be a Super Bowl run if we don't win the right games along the way.

That's why he needs to play sooner rather than later.

You sure do like to work it both ways.

Whatever man you got it all figured out.

Red Dawg · 10-17-2018, 12:19 PM

Berry could play. Needle the area up and go play. He's afraid of another injury. He won't as long we are not in desperation games.

Imon Yourside · 10-17-2018, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

First of all, he isn't going to come back and play well right off the bat. He isn't in "football shape" for one and two, he's going to playing with some level of pain, probably a lot of pain. Again, it's a deformity, not an injury. Everything we've read to this point suggests it's not going to get better, he's going to have to play through it.

Second, it's a 16-game season. There won't be a Super Bowl run if we don't win the right games along the way.

That's why he needs to play sooner rather than later.

We had better get homefield throughout I don't think anyone can feel comfortable going into New England in the playoffs. I know it would be a crapshoot at best.

htismaqe · 10-17-2018, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

You sure do like to work it both ways.

Whatever man you got it all figured out.

Whatever man. It's a freaking message board discussion. I don't know anything more than anybody else.

I guess we should just stop and shut this place down because discussion is bad.

Marcellus · 10-17-2018, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Whatever man. It's a freaking message board discussion. I don't know anything more than anybody else.

I guess we should just stop and shut this place down because discussion is bad.

Depends on your definition of "discussion".

A few weeks ago you were adamant that Earl Thomas makes us an absolute SB contender.

Today you are posting you wished you had never gotten invested in the team again because "Chiefs".

Thats hard ****ing swing.

htismaqe · 10-17-2018, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Depends on your definition of "discussion".

A few weeks ago you were adamant that Earl Thomas makes us an absolute SB contender.

Today you are posting you wished you had never gotten invested in the team again because "Chiefs".

Thats hard ****ing swing.

Blowing one of the best 2nd half performances by a QB in NFL history can do that to a person. Just saying...

htismaqe · 10-17-2018, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Depends on your definition of "discussion".

A few weeks ago you were adamant that Earl Thomas makes us an absolute SB contender.

Today you are posting you wished you had never gotten invested in the team again because "Chiefs".

Thats hard ****ing swing.

And by the way, Earl Thomas would have likely been covering Gronk Sunday night. Chiefs win that game with ET.

Marcellus · 10-17-2018, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

And by the way, Earl Thomas would have likely been covering Gronk Sunday night. Chiefs win that game with ET.

Ah I see, so we are 1 play from being undefeated now.....

Like I responded in the other thread, enjoy bearing that cross for everyone while we enjoy the Mahomes show.

htismaqe · 10-17-2018, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Ah I see, so we are 1 play from being undefeated now.....

Like I responded in the other thread, enjoy bearing that cross for everyone while we enjoy the Mahomes show.

We're 1 play from being firmly in the driver's seat for HFA throughout the playoffs, which is mega important, like it or not.

I'm not the only one that feels that way but evidently you feel the need to single me out.

Titty Meat · 10-17-2018, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg

Berry could play. Needle the area up and go play. He's afraid of another injury. He won't as long we are not in desperation games.

This isnt true at all.

Kiimo · 10-17-2018, 12:36 PM

He can't even practice so I'm not sure what "needling the area up" would do. You can only do that a few times before it starts eating your tissue. You can't needle the area up enough times for him to get back into playing shape, which itself would take probably a month.

09-29-2018, 01:06 PM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $1726899	Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me. https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday. By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.” The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.” More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo: Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.” This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg. Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week. Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos. ---- Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann: A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition. The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well. The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself. Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function. These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is. Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side. Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some. For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period. If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level. Last edited by DaFace; 09-29-2018 at 04:32 PM..
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Kiimo MVP Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Studio City, CA Casino cash: $3798742	He can't even practice so I'm not sure what "needling the area up" would do. You can only do that a few times before it starts eating your tissue. You can't needle the area up enough times for him to get back into playing shape, which itself would take probably a month.
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