Gillette

[zigbazah]

The issue with ads like these is they conflate bad behavior with traditional masculinity. It's possible for all types of people to be abusive. It's also possible to like stereotypically "guy" things and not be an asshole. Two boys wrestling in the yard is a teachable moment for good parents. And the thing is, Gillette is trying to point that out, but the message should be to control your emotions, not "society says you should be manly but that's actually bad. "

[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by zigbazah

The issue with ads like these is they conflate bad behavior with traditional masculinity. It's possible for all types of people to be abusive. It's also possible to like stereotypically "guy" things and not be an asshole. Two boys wrestling in the yard is a teachable moment for good parents. And the thing is, Gillette is trying to point that out, but the message should be to control your emotions, not "society says you should be manly but that's actually bad. "

There’s no conflating. To a growing number of people, traditional masculinity IS bad behavior.

[KCUnited]

These damsels in distress need a Gillette man to save them from the bullies!

Same hero message as always, just tweaked for a younger generation.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

There’s no conflating. To a growing number of people, traditional masculinity IS bad behavior.

"Traditional masculinity"? "People"?

Completely insensitive. How dare you.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by zigbazah

The issue with ads like these is they conflate bad behavior with traditional masculinity. It's possible for all types of people to be abusive. It's also possible to like stereotypically "guy" things and not be an asshole. Two boys wrestling in the yard is a teachable moment for good parents. And the thing is, Gillette is trying to point that out, but the message should be to control your emotions, not "society says you should be manly but that's actually bad. "

Dads, teach your kids not to be dicks to men or to women, listen to your mother. Defend the vulnerable. If you're comfortable enough with yourself as a man, you don't need to pick on those who are different to prove how much a man you are. If you see something wrong, take a stand. And if you happen to be different, you do you. It doesn't make me more of a man to claim you're less of a man.

That was pretty simple and unpreachy. And lots of good men fit well into that category.

[Bump]

If you haven't noticed, everything hollywood, tv, movies and now video games has been overran by SJWs.

[ChiefsLV]

I'm so tired of this political correctness wave that's right up in our faces day in, day out. If these guys want to protest during the national anthem, that's up to them. Just tired of all the whining and butthurt about it.

[Holladay]

And I'm not trying to preach to you about what type of man or father you should be, sorry if you took it that way.

Not you, the ad.

Agreed, I too come here to talk Chiefs. I've been in DC 2 times. Not for me.

The ad just got my manly hackles up.

[InChiefsHeaven]

Dollar Shave Club. Screw Gillette...

[DJ's left nut]

I'm not sure if they still do, but Dollar Shave Club used to get their blades from Dorco. You can buy directly from them for about 1/2 what even DSC costs if you buy them in bulk. You can do it for less if you find a coupon or ad special.

I use a Pace 6 from them and it's a great blade; easily as good as my Schick's used to be and the back of the blades are open for easier cleaning and reduced corrosion.

As for this ad - I'm just so tired of the projecting. Jesus Christ, who actually sits there and watches kids beat the shit out of each other? Or ignores bullies? Men take an absurd amount of pride in being fathers, though you'd never know it from television. I tend to treat raising the boy as an immense responsibility and the girls as something of a sacred trust. And I'm hardly special in this regard - this is common; it's decidedly average. For Gillette to throw this ad out there and not expect a resounding "**** you!" from the masses tells me a lot about who comprised that ad-team. I'm betting there wasn't a significant number of fathers putting that one together. If there were, someone would've sat back and said "hey now, maybe we shouldn't be hand-waiving the millions of responsible fathers in this country that are gonna see this and tell us to fist ourselves..."

So this ad is one of 2 things - 1) just a bunch of out of touch coastal ad men who think the world is full of guys who will sit there letting the burgers burn while kids beat the piss out of each other (pft - like any of us would let the burgers burn...) and see daughters as needless appendages or 2) a pack of cynical asswipes who know better but have found there is profit to be made in appealing to the mass media markets (NY, LA and Chicago) that lap this shit up.

Both possibilities deserve plenty of scorn. I also find more and more that the people who look down on flyover country as being full of backwards rubes sure seem to have a lot more stories of men being mouth-breathing shitheels than us midwesterners do.

Yeah, Gillette is welcomed to get bent with this one. Try taking the worst stereotypes of women, flipping them and then making a tampon commercial or something. Some ad with women either as hormonal temptresses constantly in fear of their biological clock poking holes in condoms or lying about their birth control. Or just straight up savage misandry blamed on having their periods. Hey, how 'bout we focus on those women that lean on their husbands as simple sources of finances and leave them, take their children and route them out of their lives - we can sell shampoo.

Seriously - flip this commercial on its head and tell me that "well hey, maybe the message was a little too on the nose, but the sentiment is sound..." would be a viable takeaway from using a gender's worst examples as representative of the whole. Tell me could ever make a commercial as self-serious as that piece of shit that frames the female sex as little more than the embodiment of their worst representatives and moments and that it would be defended.

It's just a ridiculous commercial as is Tiny Evil's defense of it. You wanna know why this commercial got made? Because the west coast advertising guy on this very board showed up and said "hey, I don't know what the big deal is...."

You have it straight from the source and yes, it's exactly that asinine.

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'm not sure if they still do, but Dollar Shave Club used to get their blades from Dorco. You can buy directly from them for about 1/2 what even DSC costs if you buy them in bulk. You can do it for less if you find a coupon or ad special.

I use a Pace 6 from them and it's a great blade; easily as good as my Schick's used to be and the back of the blades are open for easier cleaning and reduced corrosion.

As for this ad - I'm just so tired of the projecting. Jesus Christ, who actually sits there and watches kids beat the shit out of each other? Or ignores bullies? Men take an absurd amount of pride in being fathers, though you'd never know it from television. I tend to treat raising the boy as an immense responsibility and the girls as something of a sacred trust. And I'm hardly special in this regard - this is common; it's decidedly average. For Gillette to throw this ad out there and not expect a resounding "**** you!" from the masses tells me a lot about who comprised that ad-team. I'm betting there wasn't a significant number of fathers putting that one together. If there were, someone would've sat back and said "hey now, maybe we shouldn't be hand-waiving the millions of responsible fathers in this country that are gonna see this and tell us to fist ourselves..."

So this ad is one of 2 things - 1) just a bunch of out of touch coastal ad men who think the world is full of guys who will sit there letting the burgers burn while kids beat the piss out of each other (pft - like any of us would let the burgers burn...) and see daughters as needless appendages or 2) a pack of cynical asswipes who know better but have found there is profit to be made in appealing to the mass media markets (NY, LA and Chicago) that lap this shit up.

Both possibilities deserve plenty of scorn. I also find more and more that the people who look down on flyover country as being full of backwards rubes sure seem to have a lot more stories of men being mouth-breathing shitheels than us midwesterners do.

Yeah, Gillette is welcomed to get bent with this one. Try taking the worst stereotypes of women, flipping them and then making a tampon commercial or something. Some ad with women either as hormonal temptresses constantly in fear of their biological clock poking holes in condoms or lying about their birth control. Or just straight up savage misandry blamed on having their periods. Hey, how 'bout we focus on those women that lean on their husbands as simple sources of finances and leave them, take their children and route them out of their lives - we can sell shampoo.

Seriously - flip this commercial on its head and tell me that "well hey, maybe the message was a little too on the nose, but the sentiment is sound..." would be a viable takeaway from using a gender's worst examples as representative of the whole. Tell me could ever make a commercial as self-serious as that piece of shit that frames the female sex as little more than the embodiment of their worst representatives and moments and that it would be defended.

It's just a ridiculous commercial as is Tiny Evil's defense of it. You wanna know why this commercial got made? Because the west coast advertising guy on this very board showed up and said "hey, I don't know what the big deal is...."

You have it straight from the source and yes, it's exactly that asinine.

Well said. Couple random things on my mind: It's interesting how that side's view of collective guilt has changed now that they control all of our institutions. Same people who have lectured us for ages on collective guilt...

Sometimes I think I live in a theocracy. It's especially scary now that corporate America has become a propaganda arm.

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'm not sure if they still do, but Dollar Shave Club used to get their blades from Dorco. You can buy directly from them for about 1/2 what even DSC costs if you buy them in bulk. You can do it for less if you find a coupon or ad special.

I use a Pace 6 from them and it's a great blade; easily as good as my Schick's used to be and the back of the blades are open for easier cleaning and reduced corrosion.

As for this ad - I'm just so tired of the projecting. Jesus Christ, who actually sits there and watches kids beat the shit out of each other? Or ignores bullies? Men take an absurd amount of pride in being fathers, though you'd never know it from television. I tend to treat raising the boy as an immense responsibility and the girls as something of a sacred trust. And I'm hardly special in this regard - this is common; it's decidedly average. For Gillette to throw this ad out there and not expect a resounding "**** you!" from the masses tells me a lot about who comprised that ad-team. I'm betting there wasn't a significant number of fathers putting that one together. If there were, someone would've sat back and said "hey now, maybe we shouldn't be hand-waiving the millions of responsible fathers in this country that are gonna see this and tell us to fist ourselves..."

So this ad is one of 2 things - 1) just a bunch of out of touch coastal ad men who think the world is full of guys who will sit there letting the burgers burn while kids beat the piss out of each other (pft - like any of us would let the burgers burn...) and see daughters as needless appendages or 2) a pack of cynical asswipes who know better but have found there is profit to be made in appealing to the mass media markets (NY, LA and Chicago) that lap this shit up.

Both possibilities deserve plenty of scorn. I also find more and more that the people who look down on flyover country as being full of backwards rubes sure seem to have a lot more stories of men being mouth-breathing shitheels than us midwesterners do.

Yeah, Gillette is welcomed to get bent with this one. Try taking the worst stereotypes of women, flipping them and then making a tampon commercial or something. Some ad with women either as hormonal temptresses constantly in fear of their biological clock poking holes in condoms or lying about their birth control. Or just straight up savage misandry blamed on having their periods. Hey, how 'bout we focus on those women that lean on their husbands as simple sources of finances and leave them, take their children and route them out of their lives - we can sell shampoo.

Seriously - flip this commercial on its head and tell me that "well hey, maybe the message was a little too on the nose, but the sentiment is sound..." would be a viable takeaway from using a gender's worst examples as representative of the whole. Tell me could ever make a commercial as self-serious as that piece of shit that frames the female sex as little more than the embodiment of their worst representatives and moments and that it would be defended.

It's just a ridiculous commercial as is Tiny Evil's defense of it. You wanna know why this commercial got made? Because the west coast advertising guy on this very board showed up and said "hey, I don't know what the big deal is...."

You have it straight from the source and yes, it's exactly that asinine.

Thank you for stating the obvious....saved me having to type my long rant.

We sometimes don't agree on things....but on this one you are dead on.

I don't need to be preached at to behave normally...and there is nothing toxic about masculinity in it's pure form.

[ClevelandBronco]

Originally Posted by Mosbonian

...there is nothing toxic about masculinity in it's pure form.

This cannot be stated emphatically enough.

[SuperChief]

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

This cannot be stated emphatically enough.

Agree 100%. Just like there's nothing inherently wrong with femininity. It's all natural.

[ClevelandBronco]

Originally Posted by SuperChief

Agree 100%. Just like there's nothing inherently wrong with femininity. It's all natural.

No one is questioning your femininity.