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RedThat · 02:48 PM

May I ask, where in the heck did this guy come from?

Leads the league in HR's, RBI's, has a good OBP, solid utility player. Great arm in the outfield, he is up there as one of the leaders in assists for an outfielder. Very good defensively. Yeah he was a Royal at one time. I know it sucks. You can shoot me for saying that. But how in the world did he become this good? Dude is having a monster year. Great breakout season.

KC_Connection · 09-24-2010, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I'm wrong about Jose Bautista because of his one good year?

You said about 2 months ago that Bautista wouldn't keep this up and he has.

We're waiting...when is it gonna end?

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Oh and Werth's production pre-Phillies was about 700 ABs, not 1700 ABs. Again with specious bullshit.

Jayson Werth had 2530 AB in the minors where he hit for a .796 OPS. Based on that, and his previous major league AB, no team believed in Jayson Werth until he came to the Phillies and established a new level of production (.880 OPS). The fact that you continue to deny that older players can establish these new levels is both hilarious and pathetic for someone who calls himself a baseball expert.

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But yes, PEDs have nothing to do with it, it's the fact that the baseball's were wound tighter, which is why Sammy Sosa went from hitting 25 HRs a year to 60 and why Bonds went from 35 to 70 and why Luis Gonzalez went from 15 to 57.

Yes, PEDs could never be an explanation for a sudden rise in performance, or anything. I'm sure Roger Clemens just had that career resurgence from working out.

#1. I would be very surprised to find out that Roger Clemens only started using steroids in the mid 90s. I suspect he started during his Texas days in college. They aren't a sufficient explanation for his upswing, just as steroids aren't a sufficient explanation for Sosa, Bonds, or especially Gonzalez (what happened the following year...did he just decide to start listening to his conscience or something)?

#2. I'm not saying PEDs can't cause rises in performance. I just don't understand their relevance to the argument here, especially when it's widely assumed (and maybe even probable) that Bautista is using a PED.

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But hey, Matt Cassel once had B2B 400 yard games. GOAT!! We should have given him 600 million, not just 60. He clearly established himself. In no way should we ever use a sufficient amount of evidence as a way to predict future performance.

Sorry, but 2 back-to-back 400 yard games is not 750 PA over 7 months with a 1.000 OPS.

KC_Connection · 09-25-2010, 12:15 AM

I've never understood, by the way, why people never suspect consistent performers of PED use. What if they've just been using PEDs since they entered the league? Like guys like ARod, Manny, and Pujols likely have?

Hootie · 09-25-2010, 02:20 AM

I don't see why Bautista can't hit 40 HR's next year...

he has good plate discipline and he waits for the pitcher to throw him something out over the plate...which is bound to happen for anyone...even Barry Bonds when he was putting up 1.400 OPS seasons...

The guy is going to be given every chance to succeed once again next year and I see NO reason why he can't hit 40...none whatsoever.

KC_Connection · 09-25-2010, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

I don't see why Bautista can't hit 40 HR's next year...

he has good plate discipline and he waits for the pitcher to throw him something out over the plate...which is bound to happen for anyone...even Barry Bonds when he was putting up 1.400 OPS seasons...

The guy is going to be given every chance to succeed once again next year and I see NO reason why he can't hit 40...none whatsoever.

I agree. His swing change is real and quite visible to even the common, casual fan. While I'm not sure I would predict it, I'm certainly not going to rule out the possibility of him establishing himself as a 40 HR hitter going forward like Hamas ignorantly is.

I could see something similar to what happened to Bonds after 2001 when pitchers started walking him repeatedly and he started hitting 45-46 instead of the 70+ he was capable of with full ABs.

Pitchers have only IBB'd Bautista twice this year...that's definitely gotta change at some point if he keeps hitting for power like this.

Hootie · 09-25-2010, 02:31 AM

I would never compare him to Bonds...

but he's a patient hitter who walks as much as he strikes out...

KC_Connection · 09-25-2010, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

I would never compare him to Bonds...

but he's a patient hitter who walks as much as he strikes out...

I'm not comparing him to Bonds. Bonds is the greatest hitter to ever play the game.

I was suggesting a Bonds-like effect could occur when pitchers stop challenging him, which would result in a higher OBP with less overall HRs in 2011.

SnakeXJones · 09-25-2010, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

I'm not comparing him to Bonds. Bonds is the greatest hitter to ever play the game.

I was suggesting a Bonds-like effect could occur when pitchers stop challenging him, which would result in a higher OBP with less overall HRs in 2011.

lol What?

**Buck** · 09-25-2010, 03:03 AM

So there are what, 8 games left and he's at 52? Extremely unlikely, but I'd like to see him try and get to 60.

KC_Connection · 09-25-2010, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by SnakeXJones

lol What?

Who was better?

KC_Connection · 09-25-2010, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BuckinSmurf

So there are what, 8 games left and he's at 52? Extremely unlikely, but I'd like to see him try and get to 60.

He's got 9 games left. It would take an incredible run, indeed. 55 is probably a more reasonable target.

Hootie · 09-25-2010, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SnakeXJones

lol What?

so he did roids and everyone hates him...

doesn't mean anyone could ever rake the way he did the last 5 years he was in the league...

**Buck** · 09-25-2010, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Who was better?

He's the best power hitter if you don't care about the steroids.

How about Tony Gwynn? Ted Williams?

SnakeXJones · 09-25-2010, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BuckinSmurf

He's the best power hitter if you don't care about the steroids.

How about Tony Gwynn? Ted Williams?

Ted was the first person that pop in my mind

KC_Connection · 09-25-2010, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BuckinSmurf

He's the best power hitter if you don't care about the steroids.

How about Tony Gwynn? Ted Williams?

He's the best overall hitter if you don't care about steroids. And nobody with any real perspective on the matter should.

Ted Williams comes close, though.

**Buck** · 09-25-2010, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

He's the best overall hitter if you don't care about steroids. And nobody with any real perspective on the matter should.

Ted Williams comes close, though.

He hit under .300 for his career.

Sorry, that's not the best overall hitter.

Ruth hit .342 and had 714 homers. He's a better overall hitter than Bonds.

07-30-2010, 02:41 PM
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	Jose Bautista May I ask, where in the heck did this guy come from? Leads the league in HR's, RBI's, has a good OBP, solid utility player. Great arm in the outfield, he is up there as one of the leaders in assists for an outfielder. Very good defensively. Yeah he was a Royal at one time. I know it sucks. You can shoot me for saying that. But how in the world did he become this good? Dude is having a monster year. Great breakout season. Last edited by RedThat; 07-30-2010 at 02:48 PM..
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09-25-2010, 12:15 AM	#62
KC_Connection Perpetual Mediocrity Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $4802783	I've never understood, by the way, why people never suspect consistent performers of PED use. What if they've just been using PEDs since they entered the league? Like guys like ARod, Manny, and Pujols likely have?
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09-25-2010, 02:20 AM	#63
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	I don't see why Bautista can't hit 40 HR's next year... he has good plate discipline and he waits for the pitcher to throw him something out over the plate...which is bound to happen for anyone...even Barry Bonds when he was putting up 1.400 OPS seasons... The guy is going to be given every chance to succeed once again next year and I see NO reason why he can't hit 40...none whatsoever.
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09-25-2010, 02:31 AM	#65
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	I would never compare him to Bonds... but he's a patient hitter who walks as much as he strikes out...
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09-25-2010, 03:03 AM	#68
Buck Take a Chill Pill Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: South Carolina Casino cash: $8199900	So there are what, 8 games left and he's at 52? Extremely unlikely, but I'd like to see him try and get to 60.
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