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Old 01-03-2010, 07:52 PM  
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Old 01-03-2010, 08:45 PM   #61
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How do we know today that the 2009 draft was an abortion? That is what kills me. Let's write off the draft already after their rookie season.

Everybody already knows the top 2 players drafted were not going to be statistic killers and would have some time to adjust.

Give it a break until we know.
Tyson Jackson could become one of the best 5-techs in the history of the league, and he still doesn't warrant being picked 3rd overall.

Spare me the "well, taking up double teams allow others to be playmakers" bullshit that is eventually coming.

I can't believe people line up to defend someone who hasn't drafted a playmaker in forever - here or in NE.
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Old 01-03-2010, 08:47 PM   #62
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If the Chiefs make very good offseason moves, then it's a fair excuse. There's no doubt he has a lot more to work with this offseason than he did the last. Let's just see what he makes of it. I think a GM is more a product of the people underneath him than people realize.
I would tend to agree, hence the firing of "if I'm not mistaken" the entire scouting department. Lots of things to consider when judging Pioli's first year. This coming offseason and draft will be a true measure of his overall competence. IMHO of course.
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Old 01-03-2010, 08:47 PM   #63
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Tyson Jackson could become one of the best 5-techs in the history of the league, and he still doesn't warrant being picked 3rd overall.

Spare me the "well, taking up double teams allow others to be playmakers" bullshit that is eventually coming.

I can't believe people line up to defend someone who hasn't drafted a playmaker in forever - here or in NE.
Your line of reasoning is jaded by your aptitude for logic...chill and enjoy the win.
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Old 01-03-2010, 08:48 PM   #64
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Just be patient. It takes time.

Adding talent to a roster isn't something that happens overnight. It takes time, sometimes years. And even when you add young players through the draft, they need time to develop.

Its his first year here, and he is getting a feel for the team. Do you really expect him to make several good moves right away?

Getting a feel for the team is no different then getting to know the team in general. And maybe he underestimated the talent level throughtout the roster? that happens. Several of the moves he made were not in favor of signing top quality UFA's, a lot of the moves he made were low priced veterans who were at the end of their careers or tier 2,3 FA's who could possibly serve as potential role players. I think he was more focused on finding good role players rather then finding players who possess tremendous talent and skill.
No, I expected him to whiff on 98% of his talent evaluations.

Jesus, it's amazing the excuses being made for the guy who was supposedly the best at his job in the league.

I bet Cleveland fans will excuse the new regime if they don't ad a single playmaker this offseason.

You have to take a full year to evaluate the roster, you know.
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Old 01-03-2010, 08:49 PM   #65
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Your line of reasoning is jaded by your aptitude for logic...chill and enjoy the win.
I enjoyed today more than any game since the Thanksgiving Night game in 2006.

That doesn't change the fact that this organization is out of excuses.
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This thread makes me laugh. Even when we're looking to possibly upgrade our coaching staff some think we're a total lost cause and its over.

Evidently when you go 2-14 one year and you don't make the playoffs the next you're a failure.

Too F'ing funny.
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I can't speak for Path, but I felt with the right offseason moves, and a good draft in both '09 and '10, with the young talent on hand already, that we should be contending for, though not necessarily securing, a spot in the 2010 season.
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This thread makes me laugh. Even when we're looking to possibly upgrade our coaching staff some think we're a total lost cause and its over.

Evidently when you go 2-14 one year and you don't make the playoffs the next you're a failure.

Too F'ing funny.
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I enjoyed today more than any game since the Thanksgiving Night game in 2006.

That doesn't change the fact that this organization is out of excuses.
Out of excuses, yes. But that doesn't mean that he'll be operating in 2010 armed with an entirely different set of resources.

It doesn't take a full year to evaluate. But it takes a while to get the right people in place to help you evaluate. If the Chiefs add a DC/OC, then most of the structure is in place.
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Other than the "lame excuse" part, I totally agree. When you have a pedigree like Pioli, expectations are high ... as they should be.

I do, however, give him the benefit of the doubt this year ... and have from the beginning. I don't think Gandhi could have reasonably be expected to turn this leaky-ass, turd canoe around in one year. The water was just too fast and we were already halfway over the waterfall.

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We have the Executive of the Decade.

Why should we not hit a ****ing home run in the draft and FA. He's the top-paid GM in the league, why should we not expect him to perform like it?

He's had his "evaluation year" (read: lame ****ing excuse) after all.
It's 1 season. ONE season...Everybody knew this year the Chiefs were going to be garbage. Everybody knew that, and everybody knew that Pioli, Haley and the rest of the guys were going to have their hands full. Kansas City isn't exactly the brightest spot for any GM or coach, but a BIG challenge since its a bad situation in general because the team is so devoid in talent.

Do you really expect him to come in here and dramatically turn this whole team around in 1 season? Lets be realistic. He may or may not hit homeruns? Only time will determine that. We just need to be patient.
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I would tend to agree, hence the firing of "if I'm not mistaken" the entire scouting department. Lots of things to consider when judging Pioli's first year. This coming offseason and draft will be a true measure of his overall competence. IMHO of course.
Bravo!!! Well said!!
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No, I expected him to whiff on 98% of his talent evaluations.

Jesus, it's amazing the excuses being made for the guy who was supposedly the best at his job in the league.

I bet Cleveland fans will excuse the new regime if they don't ad a single playmaker this offseason.

You have to take a full year to evaluate the roster, you know.
Its not about the excuses. We just need to be understanding. Building a team requires time and patience. Time is a factor in building a team, so is making good moves and bad moves, this is the nature of it all whether you are a good gm or bad gm.
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It's 1 season. ONE season...Everybody knew this year the Chiefs were going to be garbage. Everybody knew that, and everybody knew that Pioli, Haley and the rest of the guys were going to have their hands full. Kansas City isn't exactly the brightest spot for any GM or coach, but a BIG challenge since its a bad situation in general because the team is so devoid in talent.

Do you really expect him to come in here and dramatically turn this whole team around in 1 season? Lets be realistic. He may or may not hit homeruns? Only time will determine that. We just need to be patient.
Agree thoroughly!!! It's just frustration by many my friend.
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I didn't say you did but your how you measure improvement is way f'ing flawed.
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