Harrison Butker is the second-most accurate field goal kicker in NFL history.

[TLO]

This is a factual statement.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin

Fair comparison since Ben Neiman is routinely mentioned as one of the better LBer’s in the NFL. Let me know when we have a better kicker on our roster than Butker that we can upgrade with.

You’re really just looking dumb and desperate now. You should just tap out now while you can.

We do have an alternate to Butker kicking extra points that would be an upgrade. He's called Mahomes.


Sooooo....

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

i gave you piles of context. Maybe you should go back and read some of them.

What you and your ilk are attempting is commonly referred to as 'nitpicking.' Look that one up as well.

See the difference?

I don't think saying we should opt to go for 2 more if our kicker keeps being (one of) the worst kickers in the league at XPs is nitpicking.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

I guess I don’t see the reason for panic over the occasional missed XP when he makes everything from 50+.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by -King-

I don't think saying we should opt to go for 2 more if our kicker keeps being (one of) the worst kickers in the league at XPs is nitpicking.

Butker's worst XP% has been 88.8%.

Over the last 4 years the Chiefs success rate on 2-point conversions is 66%.

Which one is better?

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Butker's worst XP% has been 88.8%.

Over the last 4 years the Chiefs success rate on 2-point conversions is 66%.

Which one is better?

Depends.


If 66%(2x)>88.8%(x), then 66% is better.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Depends.


If 66%(2x)>88.8%(x), then 66% is better.

Depends a lot on what the exact value of 'x' is . . .

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Depends a lot on what the exact value of 'x' is . . .

No, it doesn't - in this case, it's how many 2 pt conversions vs XPs are attempted.

66% of 100 2 pt conversions is a helluva lot better than 88% of 40 XPs...

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

No, it doesn't - in this case, it's how many 2 pt conversions vs XPs are attempted.

66% of 100 2 pt conversions is a helluva lot better than 88% of 40 XPs...

Except that the Chiefs haven't attempted 100 2-pt conversions in the last 4 years. They've attempted something like 8.

Meanwhile, Butker's attempted 199 XPs, converting 186 of them.

And FYI, the league average success rate for 2-pt conversions is 48.6%.

There's no basis in fact for the Chiefs to consider going for 2 vs. Butker kicking XPs. Butker is far more efficient no matter how you look at it.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Butker's worst XP% has been 88.8%.

Over the last 4 years the Chiefs success rate on 2-point conversions is 66%.

Which one is better?

Uh...the 66%?

Is this a serious question?

I'll take a 66% of making 2 points over a 88% chance of 1 point.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Except that the Chiefs haven't attempted 100 2-pt conversions in the last 4 years. They've attempted something like 8.

Meanwhile, Butker's attempted 199 XPs, converting 186 of them.

And FYI, the league average success rate for 2-pt conversions is 48.6%.

There's no basis in fact for the Chiefs to consider going for 2 vs. Butker kicking XPs. Butker is far more efficient no matter how you look at it.

The point is

Butker has gained 186 points out of 199 attempts.

If the chiefs decided to go for a two point conversion every time and completed at the league average of 49 percent, 0.46 x 199 x 2 points for every completed attempts that is 183 points. If we complete by a little higher than league average due to the Mahomes factor, then we come out ahead compared to the 186 points Butker earned.

I’m not necessarily advocating for this, just explaining the perspective.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Except that the Chiefs haven't attempted 100 2-pt conversions in the last 4 years. They've attempted something like 8.

Meanwhile, Butker's attempted 199 XPs, converting 186 of them.

And FYI, the league average success rate for 2-pt conversions is 48.6%.

There's no basis in fact for the Chiefs to consider going for 2 vs. Butker kicking XPs. Butker is far more efficient no matter how you look at it.

Are you legitimately saying Mahomes, Reid and the rest of the offense can't get 2 yards better than Butker can kick an XP?


Btw, even at that league average 48%, if applied to the number of kicks Butker kicked, that comes out to 191 points.

191>186

And I bet our offense can pick up a lot more than 48% of them.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Originally Posted by -King-

We do have an alternate to Butker kicking extra points that would be an upgrade. He's called Mahomes.


Sooooo....

And yet our genius Super Bowl winning coach doesn’t utilize it more. Maybe he knows something you don’t? Maybe he trusts Butker.

We scored 57 TD’s last year. We kicked XP’s on 54 of those 57. Butker made 48 of those 54 XP’s. He missed 6, the equivalent of one TD (6 points), over the course of a 16 game season.

You want to completely change our philosophy on tries and line up Mahomes under center in goal line situations 57x a year to make up for one missed TD? Exposing him to possible injury in goal line situations, where QB’s tend to get hit a lot, if they’re not directly handing off to the running back post snap. You want to do all that for 6 ****ing points??

The dumb thing about the above scenario? If he had missed 2 less and had made 50 out of 54, you and others wouldn’t be bitching right now and we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. So it’s really over 2 points and not even 6, since it’s unfair to expect any kicker in the NFL to go 100% on 50+ attempts.

So, yeah, I think your suggestion to just abandon the XP and line up Mahomes under center for 2 point conversions all the time, all in the name of recovering one TD over the course of a 16 game season, is also ****ing stupid.

And I’m guessing Coach Reid would probably agree with me. Thus why they only tried it 3 times all last season. You use it when you have to, not just because ‘OMG, Butker missed a few extra points!’, because unlike you (and others), they are more concerned with the long term health of Mahomes than they are one measley TD.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin

And yet our genius Super Bowl winning coach doesn’t utilize it more. Maybe he knows something you don’t? Maybe he trusts Butker.

We scored 57 TD’s last year. We kicked XP’s on 54 of those 57. Butker made 48 of those 54 XP’s. He missed 6, the equivalent of one TD (6 points), over the course of a 16 game season.

You want to completely change our philosophy on tries and line up Mahomes under center in goal line situations 57x a year to make up for one missed TD? Exposing him to possible injury in goal line situations, where QB’s tend to get hit a lot, if they’re not directly handing off to the running back post snap. You want to do all that for 6 ****ing points??

The dumb thing about the above scenario? If he had missed 2 less and had made 50 out of 54, you and others wouldn’t be bitching right now and we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. So it’s really over 2 points and not even 6, since it’s unfair to expect any kicker in the NFL to go 100% on 50+ attempts.

So, yeah, I think your suggestion to just abandon the XP and line up Mahomes under center for 2 point conversions all the time, all in the name of recovering one TD over the course of a 16 game season, is also ****ing stupid.

And I’m guessing Coach Reid would probably agree with me. Thus why they only tried it 3 times all last season. You use it when you have to, not just because ‘OMG, Butker missed a few extra points!’, because unlike you (and others), they are more concerned with the long term health of Mahomes than they are one measley TD.

Yeah we might not having this conversation if he missed 2 less XPs. But he did. And I'd guess Reid isn't trying to rock the boat and trying to get Butkers confidence back up cause once you start attempting more 2 point conversions, you can't put that toothpaste back in the tube. But I bet if it continues into this year we do start attempting more 2 point conversions.

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by -King-

Uh...the 66%?

Is this a serious question?

I'll take a 66% of making 2 points over a 88% chance of 1 point.

The math supports this. Using these percentages:

Expected value of kicking the XP = .88 points
Expected value of going for 2 = 1.32 points

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Originally Posted by -King-

Yeah we might not having this conversation if he missed 2 less XPs. But he did. And I'd guess Reid isn't trying to rock the boat and trying to get Butkers confidence back up cause once you start attempting more 2 point conversions, you can't put that toothpaste back in the tube. But I bet if it continues into this year we do start attempting more 2 point conversions.

Yeah, it could be that.

Or it could be that the Chiefs are more concerned about the long term health (remember Denver?) of our half billion dollar franchise QB, literally the ONLY reason we will be in position to compete for a Super Bowl every single year, and they wanna do everything possible to minimize high contact situations for him unless it’s absolutely necessary.

But you’re probably right. It’s probably more about stroking Butker’s ego a little.

We’ll have to watch and see how many times the Chiefs opt to go for 2 this year, not because they need to, mind you, but because they’ve lost confidence in Butker. We’ll check the results at the end of the year and see who was right.