The Pope John Paul II

[C-Mac]

Originally Posted by Oxford

C-Mac,
I will take you at your word that you are not, HOWEVER your statement dovetails very nicely with those that call Catholicism a cult. As a practicing catholic I take offense when someone calls the church corrupt because I see that as an attack on GOD's church.

If someone wants to attack someone within the church on the basis of that persons actions then that is right and proper. And if the allegations are proved to be true, then they should be punished. It is apparent throughout recorded history that corrupt people have used the church as an excuse for their actions, and there have been corrupt people leading the church, yet through all that she still stands.

It is encumbent on us, the laity, to demand accountability and not to abandon the church when ugly and despicable things come to light. I see that as my responsibility to those generations yet to come, .. if you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.

I have been on both sides of the fence. I was raised Catholic went to Catholic school, but once I actually read the Bible and did some historical research, I found stark contrasts to the churches teachings and actions. Yes thru out the years the Church has had much corruption and abuses of human rights. Sadly it still goes on down to today, and her attendance and unwaivering faithful is declining. I personally felt enough was enough and chose to follow the Bible teachings not the Church teachings, because I couldnt do both.

[Jenson71]

Originally Posted by C-Mac

I have been on both sides of the fence. I was raised Catholic went to Catholic school, but once I actually read the Bible and did some historical research, I found stark contrasts to the churches teachings and actions. Yes thru out the years the Church has had much corruption and abuses of human rights. Sadly it still goes on down to today, and her attendance and unwaivering faithful is declining. I personally felt enough was enough and chose to follow the Bible teachings not the Church teachings, because I couldnt do both.

EDIT - okay, I assume you do. Nevermind.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

I can't believe all the anti-Catholic vitriol on the internet. Every forum I come to it eventually rears it's ugly head. I mean, people REVEL in their hatred of the Church, and most of those people don't really understand what the Church really believes and teaches. They simply gobble up whatever some Fundy tells them about the evils of the Church. The fact that the Church has done herself some bad damage in the past of course does not help it. But what I find interesting is that we (Yup, evil Catholic checking in) have had bad bishops, priests and ayuh, even Popes, yet the Church herself survives. Why? Because the Church as an institution is right. It's some of the people who run it who are fallible.

I am sick and tired of hearing about the priest and alter boy scandal. People love to make fun of it, but a simple google search will illustrate that the problem is actually MORE pervasive in Protestant churches. The Jehovah's Witnesses are a total mess, I can't even begin to go there. Does that make it right? Of COURSE not. But to sit there and gleefully crap all over the Catholic church for it's problems while totally ignoring the problems of other Christian denominations is intelectually dishonest at best. Sadly, it is also typical.

What people don't understand is that there is a ferverant NEED for the anti-God crowd in the world to take out the Catholic Church. Why? Because if you can take down the Catholics, the rest of Christianity will crumble as well. This is why Catholicism is a huge target. Satan needs to kill it. Sadly, Christ himself stated that the gates of Hell itself will not prevail against His Church, and try as he might for 2000 years, Satan still cannot prevail.

Quit crapping on the Church. Her history is recognized and acknowleged by her and her members. The wrongs of the past will never go away, but neither will the righteousness of the Church itself. Again, hate it all you want, but if the church falls, back up and run...

Whoa, whoa. I think the same way about every organized religion as I do about Catholic Church. Catholic Church has been the worst throughout the history and that's why it's a good example.

[Clint in Wichita]

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

I can't believe all the anti-Catholic vitriol on the internet. Every forum I come to it eventually rears it's ugly head. I mean, people REVEL in their hatred of the Church, and most of those people don't really understand what the Church really believes and teaches

That's because even among Christians, Catholics are incredibly self-righteous.

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

I They simply gobble up whatever some Fundy tells them about the evils of the Church.

Naw, it couldn't be for any other possible reason. It's always a "fundy". Every time.

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

But what I find interesting is that we (Yup, evil Catholic checking in) have had bad bishops, priests and ayuh, even Popes, yet the Church herself survives. Why? Because the Church as an institution is right. It's some of the people who run it who are fallible.

I think it's because it, like all other religions, is full of gullible, brainwashed people who would dive under a moving bus if the Pope told them to.

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

I am sick and tired of hearing about the priest and alter boy scandal. People love to make fun of it, but a simple google search will illustrate that the problem is actually MORE pervasive in Protestant churches. The Jehovah's Witnesses are a total mess, I can't even begin to go there. Does that make it right? Of COURSE not. But to sit there and gleefully crap all over the Catholic church for it's problems while totally ignoring the problems of other Christian denominations is intelectually dishonest at best. Sadly, it is also typical.

"Hey, stop picking on us! They ***** children, too!

Preists are screwing kids, higher-ups are covering it up, yet they should be given a pass because Jehova's Witnesses screw kids too? What sort of attitude is that?

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

What people don't understand is that there is a ferverant NEED for the anti-God crowd in the world to take out the Catholic Church. Why? Because if you can take down the Catholics, the rest of Christianity will crumble as well.

Actually, the fall of the Catholic church would probably be the best thing that ever happened to Christianity.

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

Satan needs to kill it. Sadly, Christ himself stated that the gates of Hell itself will not prevail against His Church, and try as he might for 2000 years, Satan still cannot prevail.

Yeah, well, I'll bet Christ didn't account for child-f_cking when he made that statement.

BTW, if Satan cannot prevail, what the hell are you worried about? Do you really think that naysayers might succeed where SATAN has failed? Prince of fuggin' Darkness, no problem. Bill Maher tells a joke on HBO, circle the wagons!!

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

Quit crapping on the Church. Her history is recognized and acknowleged by her and her members. The wrongs of the past will never go away, but neither will the righteousness of the Church itself. Again, hate it all you want, but if the church falls, back up and run...

I'll quit crapping on the church when it's leaders stop f_cking children.

And whether the church falls or not, I won't "back up" anywhere near a Catholic Church.

[chiefs4me]

Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

I can't believe all the anti-Catholic vitriol on the internet. Every forum I come to it eventually rears it's ugly head. I mean, people REVEL in their hatred of the Church, and most of those people don't really understand what the Church really believes and teaches. They simply gobble up whatever some Fundy tells them about the evils of the Church. The fact that the Church has done herself some bad damage in the past of course does not help it. But what I find interesting is that we (Yup, evil Catholic checking in) have had bad bishops, priests and ayuh, even Popes, yet the Church herself survives. Why? Because the Church as an institution is right. It's some of the people who run it who are fallible.

I am sick and tired of hearing about the priest and alter boy scandal. People love to make fun of it, but a simple google search will illustrate that the problem is actually MORE pervasive in Protestant churches. The Jehovah's Witnesses are a total mess, I can't even begin to go there. Does that make it right? Of COURSE not. But to sit there and gleefully crap all over the Catholic church for it's problems while totally ignoring the problems of other Christian denominations is intelectually dishonest at best. Sadly, it is also typical.

What people don't understand is that there is a ferverant NEED for the anti-God crowd in the world to take out the Catholic Church. Why? Because if you can take down the Catholics, the rest of Christianity will crumble as well. This is why Catholicism is a huge target. Satan needs to kill it. Sadly, Christ himself stated that the gates of Hell itself will not prevail against His Church, and try as he might for 2000 years, Satan still cannot prevail.

Quit crapping on the Church. Her history is recognized and acknowleged by her and her members. The wrongs of the past will never go away, but neither will the righteousness of the Church itself. Again, hate it all you want, but if the church falls, back up and run...

Well Said,,

[Hammock Parties]

Over-Head, do you remember what name I posted the thread under?

[Fairplay]

I have nothing against catholics, i just think their church is all fugged up.

[memyselfI]

Originally Posted by Jenson71

Today I listened to a talk about the Catholic religion and part of it dealed with the Pope - John Paul II. Isn't he amazing? The Pope is one of my heroes. He's so unbelievably good. This thread is a tribute thread to the living saint.

First W. then the pope...

[Demonpenz]

I am catholic. I have some problems with the church that are real simple, first I don't fully believe that the bread actually turns into Jesus, Second I have a real problem when people donate large flashing signs or a 100,000 stain glass window, when the money could go to actually benifit the community. I have 12 years of religion and debating. Those two things always stick out.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Demonpenz

first I don't fully believe that the bread actually turns into Jesus

Why would you? It's a piece of freaking bread.

[CHIEF4EVER]

Originally Posted by gochiefs

Why would you? It's a piece of freaking bread.

The wine and the bread are MUCH more than that but I don't expect you to understand that at this point in your life (based upon what you have posted).

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by CHIEF4EVER

The wine and the bread are MUCH more than that but I don't expect you to understand that at this point in your life (based upon what you have posted).

I understand they have symbolism. Jehovah's Witnesses have a similar custom.

Beyond that though...

[Demonpenz]

yeah i am not a big fan of trying to go out and change their religion

[Iowanian]

I meant to contribute to this thread, but I was off contributing to the single largest private charity in the world.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Iowanian

I meant to contribute to this thread, but I was off contributing to the single largest private charity in the world.

Zing!