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Old 04-05-2005, 03:07 PM  
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Died 11 years ago today, just was reminded by the radio station. Man it doesn't seem that long ago. I remember hearing about it at work that day, seems like just a few years ago. Not 11.
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Old 04-06-2005, 09:35 AM   #61
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that's like saying American Idol is better than Nirvana...
I see no problem with that ...

afterall, they both kinda suck.

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Old 04-06-2005, 09:36 AM   #62
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No that was STP, but Nirvana did have a song called "All Appologies", that I believe came out after he was dead. He kept repeating "I don't have a gun". That was kind of weird!

My 2 cents: Nirvana did make the Seattle scene bust loose, but most of the popular bands sounded more like Pearl Jam.
Yup, I can't believe how hard it was to find the info on the net, sheesh.

I guess Nirvana did hit big first, I had been trying to hunt down the info and haven't found much. It just seemed I remember seeing one of the Pearl Jam video's before I saw the Nirvana one, but oh well.

Of course my point still stands that they were not all that influential. From VH1's Pearl Jam Bio...

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Old 04-06-2005, 09:37 AM   #63
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He couldn't even tell me what kind of music he was listening to, and he thought it was bad....
reminds me of the "Misfits is a punk band thread"
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Ain't that the truth.

BTW, STP was better than Pearl Jam or Nirvana or Soundgarden (who totally sucked).

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that's like saying American Idol is better than Nirvana...
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Old 04-06-2005, 09:40 AM   #65
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the only reason nirvana was popular is because they were the "voice" for a generation who had no identity, other than unhappiness.

talented? yes. overplayed the pixies format? yes.

Icons of music. Not a chance.
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Old 04-06-2005, 09:43 AM   #66
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the only reason nirvana was popular is because they were the "voice" for a generation who had no identity, other than unhappiness.

talented? yes. overplayed the pixies format? yes.

Icons of music. Not a chance.
IMO the reason they were popular was because kids were soured on the metal ballad that wouldnt die.

the kids were starved for anything new


I took Blue to school and never got it back(didnt matter cause i didnt like em all that much anyway)
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Old 04-06-2005, 09:43 AM   #67
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Dude, if you don't know who Sonic Youth is then you should have no part in this discussion. Your blatant ignorance regarding the alternative music scene as a whole was enough to make me roll my eyes. I grew up on the Alternative music scene- it was rich, lyrical, politically charged, and emotionally profound music. From the root of alternative music- you have a great many branches, and one of those branches would be the Seattle Sound- which, by the way, was made entirely popular by the movie, Singles. Nirvana didn't help Pearl Jam, Pearl Jam didn't help Nirvana, Sonic Youth didn't help Alice in Chains, or anything- the sound exploded due to the hugely popular movie at that time.

Just because you know how to drive a car doesn't mean you know anything about the engine. So, just because you listen to music doesn't mean you know sh*t about the artists. If you don't like a particular musical group or sound- that's great- we all have our tastes. But, to denounce another sound when you have no idea what you're talking about is another thing.

Case in point: Just yesterday a co-worker told me he had a CD of George Carlin- I asked if he would like to trade CD's we were listeing to cause I wanted to listen to Carlin. I gave him my mix jamband CD- a bluesy jam CD with Gov't Mule, Allman Brothers, and some bluegrass in there as well. He returned the CD to me later and I asked him what he thought of it. His reply was, I don't like folk music.

He couldn't even tell me what kind of music he was listening to, and he thought it was bad....
I know who they are, I just never really listened to their stuff. Just because you think alternitive is the greatest thing since sliced bread, doesn't make you right either. The music industry drove the alternitive scene as much as anything, and they pushed some real crap.

Again, I listened to Nirvana and Perl Jam, as well as Soundgarden, Alice in Chains and have multiple CD's by most of those bands. It more then likely took both Nirvana and Perl Jam to really get the Seattle scene going, 'cause the music industry loves to jump onto anything remotely popular and then overload it.

Hell, alternitive was so f'n great that Country starting becoming more popular because people were not that impressed with it.
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Old 04-06-2005, 09:47 AM   #68
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Ain't that the truth.

BTW, STP was better than Pearl Jam or Nirvana or Soundgarden (who totally sucked).

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I thought STP and Alice in Chains were the best of the bunch. But I'm damn glad the good heavy stuff crept its way back onto the radio.
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Old 04-06-2005, 09:51 AM   #69
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I thought STP and Alice in Chains were the best of the bunch. But I'm damn glad the good heavy stuff crept its way back onto the radio.
Two of my favorites too.

I've always said Nirvana was vastly overrated because he blew his head off. If that had never happened, they'd be lumped in with the rest.
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Umm, never saw Def Leppard live, but I have seen Ozzy twice, Rob Zombie, Linkin Park, Nuno Bettencort and Extreme. But maybe you can tell me where I am actually wrong in my assessment.
Sorry dude..wasn't paying attention. I thought that I was quoting Phil. My bad!
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I thought STP and Alice in Chains were the best of the bunch. But I'm damn glad the good heavy stuff crept its way back onto the radio.
That's what I liked most about STP -- they had that heavy metal edge to them.

Sadly, though, music today has really flattened out IMHO. It's either hip-hop, cross-over country, bands who think they're punk but aren't (Green Day, Blink 182, Avril Levine ... sorry, not punk ... Black Flag, Ramones, Butthole Surfers ... punk), or heavy metal wannabes.

While I enjoy some rap, some country, and even Green Day, so much music seems so freaking uninspired. No one is taking a stand and no one is breaking new ground. The artists with the potential to do so have either lost touch (U2), have gone into a rut (Beck), or are trying too damned hard (Lenny Kravitz).

While I think Nirvana, Pearl Jam, et al are overrated, at least they were different from what was out at the time.

Of course, there's always the chance that I'm just getting old ...

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You are correct, they are the best pop to come out of that area!

thats better.
Queensryche....pop?

You better quite listening to that death metal, it will rot your brain. Have you heard Mindcrime?
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bands who think they're punk but aren't (Green Day, Blink 182, Avril Levine ... sorry, not punk

kids call that shit EMO now esp the later 2.
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Queensryche....pop?

You better quite listening to that death metal, it will rot your brain. Have you heard Mindcrime?
Anyone see that episode of Mythbusters when they played musics/record messages to plants? They wanted to see if anything would make the plants grow faster. Deathmetal was the winner.
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Queensryche....pop?

You better quite listening to that death metal, it will rot your brain. Have you heard Mindcrime?
nope anygood?
ill trade a hoods tape......tradeing tapes them were the days.

ps i dont listen to deathmetal atleast not anymore.
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