Pick your all-time greatest Chiefs players, Part 1 - Page 5

**Rain Man** · 07-03-2005, 05:35 PM

As a fortissimo in my "Pick your all-time greatest..." series, we now come to the Chiefs.

As we all know, there have been many, many great Chiefs, and I can't pick just 25 for the poll, so we'll make it a democratic process. I'm going to post 10 polls that contain every Chiefs player who either a) was on the roster for five or more years, OR b) started for the Chiefs for at least two seasons.

I'm getting my information from the Chiefs' media guide, so don't pick on me if you think someone did or did not start in certain years. I'm just regurgitating the official information, and perhaps a worm or two.

In each of the upcoming ten polls (to be posted over the next couple of weeks, and working in alphabetical order), I'll ask you to pick the FIVE greatest players on that list. I'll then take the top five choices from each of those polls and develop a second round that contains only the top 50 players. We'll then narrow it down from there in a manner to be determined.

On each poll, I'll list the player's name, position, college, jersey number, years with the Chiefs, and years as a starter with the Chiefs.

Ready? Here's Poll #1.

Logical · 07-03-2005, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Rainman was looking for an objective standard for inclusion of consideration. The one he picked happens to envelope some much-hated Chiefs.

The best thing I can say about Bartee is that he has become a staple of comedic material on the planet. What can Mark Adickes say say his contribution was?

Well if we are talking comedy gold Morris Stroud damn well better make the list.

**cdcox** · 07-03-2005, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

Well if we are talking comedy gold Morris Stroud damn well better make the list.

KC used to line him up under the goal posts to block FG before they made a rule against it (The Morris Stroud rule???). Great fried chicken though.

**Skip Towne** · 07-03-2005, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

P.S I believe only three on that list even merit consideration

Bobby Bell (might as weill put him in the top five and avoid wasting time_.

Fred Arbamas (Clearly only Gonzalez and Otis Taylor warrant more consideration of Chiefs pass catchers a motley crew if ever we had one)

Marcus Allen (only because Chief running backs have had a short shelf life and Marcus's achievements are clearly in the top 5 of running backs.

Alt does not make the top 10 of Chiefs offensive lineman

Barbaro does not make the top 10 of Chiefs defensive backs.

The rest of the list are pretty much wastes of Chiefs skin or at best serviceable players at their positions.

Well, thank you Jim. I think Alt is a fraud. He was decent but injured all the time with back problems. Can't sniff a bunch of other Chiefs O Linemen.

Logical · 07-03-2005, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

KC used to line him up under the goal posts to block FG before they made a rule against it (The Morris Stroud rule???). Great fried chicken though.

I remember it well, and if people think Snoop Minnis had a ridiculous neck and was a stick they should have seen Stroud.

**Skip Towne** · 07-03-2005, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

KC used to line him up under the goal posts to block FG before they made a rule against it (The Morris Stroud rule???). Great fried chicken though.

Not saying they didn't but I don't remember them making any rule against it. It just didn't work with Stroud. He never batted down a single kick.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad · 07-03-2005, 11:18 PM

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**cdcox** · 07-03-2005, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Not saying they didn't but I don't remember them making any rule against it. It just didn't work with Stroud. He never batted down a single kick.

No he didn't. But he put the fear in them so they had to make a rule.

**Rain Man** · 07-04-2005, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Well, thank you Jim. I think Alt is a fraud. He was decent but injured all the time with back problems. Can't sniff a bunch of other Chiefs O Linemen.

(Strangling noises.) Alt? John Alt? The anchor of our line for a decade?

I know that he missed most of his first few seasons with the back problems, but I don't remember him missing much (or any) time after he finally got onto the field. Am I remembering wrong?

I do remember that he came to us in the first round, via a pick that we received by trading all-pro CB Gary Green. (Green and Barbaro were the nucleus of a pretty good secondary, by the way.) Then Alt got hurt and missed his first couple of seasons. I was disgusted and put him down as a bust right next to Brian Jozwiak. Then all of a sudden Alt reappeared, and didn't relinquish the LT spot for ten years.

**Rain Man** · 07-04-2005, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

No he didn't. But he put the fear in them so they had to make a rule.

I wonder how many kicks were ever blocked in that manner. I know that it happened at least once. I think it was R.C. Owens, but I could be wrong. I don't know if it happened more than once, though.

**Rausch** · 07-04-2005, 01:40 AM

No Okoye or Thomas, no vote!

**Rain Man** · 07-04-2005, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

No Okoye or Thomas, no vote!

I would've included them if their names were Bokoye and Bhomas. Their turn will come, though.

07-04-2005, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I would've included them if their names were Bokoye and Bhomas. Their turn will come, though.

He's not through with college yet. I think some of his coursework next semester (in his 10th year of college) includes alphebetical order.

**cdcox** · 07-04-2005, 01:51 AM

OK, I admit I had to google RC Owens. Cool story. But RC blocked his field goal in 1962. It wasn't until
Morris "Too Tall" Stroud appeard on the scene that the NFL banned the goal tending in the NFL in the 1970s

Professional football player R.C. Owens nicknamed Alley Oop was considered one of the greatest leapers in NFL history. His jumping skills were so considerable that in addition to football he was also an accomplished athlete in both basketball and the high jump. In the high jump, in fact, he recorded a jump of nearly seven feet.

With this in mind, Owens and some of his teammates came up with the idea that Owens might be a formidable field goal blocker, only not in the traditional sense. They reasoned that longer field goals, if they make it at all, usually just miss the crossbar. So Owens decided to try blocking the attempt, not at the line of scrimmage, but in the end zone at the crossbar.

In 1962, Owens, playing for the Baltimore Colts, stood in the end zone and blocked a 40-plus yard field goal attempt by Bob Khayat of the Washington Redskins by leaping in the air and flipping the ball away as it was about to eke over the crossbar.

His victory was short-lived, because not long after, the NFL changed the rule and made this kind of block illegal. It's a good thing, too, otherwise modern fans might be putting up with high-flying basketball player, Dennis Rodman, through two sports seasons.

**Rain Man** · 07-04-2005, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

4 out of 5 correct (should have had Barbaro instead of Anders). Not bad for a n00b. Welcome aboard!

I must admit that I went a slightly different route. To me, Bell, Alt, and Barbaro were obvious choices, and then I went with Arbanas as well.

However, I picked Anders over Marcus Allen. One cannot underestimate Allen's value in short yardage situations, but he only made one pro bowl as a Chief, compared to three for Anders. Anders also gained more yards as a Chief (though that happened over more seasons). I must admit that I also still harbor a bit of a grudge against Marcus for keeping Greg Hill on the bench, even though that was completely Marty's fault, and for retiring with no notice, leaving KC in a lurch.

Anders was class all the way. It was painful seeing him go down in his first game as a feature back, after destroying Denver. I saw him go down on the snap with no one near him, and knew it was going to be bad.

07-04-2005, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

I must admit that I went a slightly different route. To me, Bell, Alt, and Barbaro were obvious choices, and then I went with Arbanas as well.

However, I picked Anders over Marcus Allen. One cannot underestimate Allen's value in short yardage situations, but he only made one pro bowl as a Chief, compared to three for Anders. Anders also gained more yards as a Chief (though that happened over more seasons). I must admit that I also still harbor a bit of a grudge against Marcus for keeping Greg Hill on the bench, even though that was completely Marty's fault, and for retiring with no notice, leaving KC in a lurch.

Anders was class all the way. It was painful seeing him go down in his first game as a feature back, after destroying Denver. I saw him go down on the snap with no one near him, and knew it was going to be bad.

Yeah. Anders is the man. I couldn't bring myself to vote for Allen's limited role in KC. That doesn't outweigh Ander's decade of committment. Not even close for me.

View Poll Results: Pick the FIVE greatest Chiefs on this list (considering their Chiefs career ONLY!)
Adickes, Mark G 61 Baylor 1986-89 1986-89	0	0%
Aguiar, Louie P 5 Utah State 1994-98 1994-98*	15	18.99%
Alexander, Derrick WR 82 Michigan 1998-01 1998-01	0	0%
Allen, Marcus RB 32 Southern California 1993-97 1993-96	52	65.82%
Alt, John T 76 Iowa 1984-96 1987-96	55	69.62%
Anders, Kimble FB 38 Houston 1991-00 1993-98, 00	40	50.63%
Andersen, Morten K 8 Michigan State 2002-03 2002-03*	2	2.53%
Andrews, Billy LB 53 Southwest Louisiana 1976-77 1976-77	0	0%
Ane, Charlie C 56 Michigan State 1975-80	0	0%
Arbanas, Fred TE 84 Michigan State 1962-70 1962-70	38	48.10%
Arnold, Jim P 6 Vanderbilt 1983-85 1983-85*	1	1.27%
Arnold, Walt TE 87 New Mexico 1984-87 1985-86	0	0%
Bailey, Mark RB 39 Cal State Long Beach 1977-78 1977-78	0	0%
Baldinger, Rich T 77 Wake Forest 1983-92 1987-88, 90-92	1	1.27%
Barbaro, Gary S 26 Nicholls State 1976-82 1976-82	18	22.78%
Barber, Shawn LB 59 Richmond 2003 2003	0	0%
Barker, Bryan P 4 Santa Clara 1990-93 1990-93*	1	1.27%
Barndt, Tom DT/G 71 Pittsburgh 1996-99 1998-99	2	2.53%
Bartee, William CB 24 Oklahoma 2000-03 2002	7	8.86%
Baugh, Tom C 58 Southern Illinois 1986-88 1987-88	0	0%
Bayless, Martin S 21, 30 Bowling Green 1992-93, 95-96 1992-93	2	2.53%
Beckman, Ed TE 85 Florida State 1977-84 1983	0	0%
Bell, Bobby LB 78 Minnesota 1963-74 1963-74	69	87.34%
Bell, Mike DE 99 Colorado State 1979-85, 87-91 1981-85, 87-89	5	6.33%
Bennett, Donnell RB 30 Miami (Fla.) 1994-00 1998	3	3.80%
Birden, J.J. WR 88 Oregon 1990-94 1992-94	14	17.72%
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cdcox www.nfl-forecast.com Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $-618231	OK, I admit I had to google RC Owens. Cool story. But RC blocked his field goal in 1962. It wasn't until Morris "Too Tall" Stroud appeard on the scene that the NFL banned the goal tending in the NFL in the 1970s Professional football player R.C. Owens nicknamed Alley Oop was considered one of the greatest leapers in NFL history. His jumping skills were so considerable that in addition to football he was also an accomplished athlete in both basketball and the high jump. In the high jump, in fact, he recorded a jump of nearly seven feet. With this in mind, Owens and some of his teammates came up with the idea that Owens might be a formidable field goal blocker, only not in the traditional sense. They reasoned that longer field goals, if they make it at all, usually just miss the crossbar. So Owens decided to try blocking the attempt, not at the line of scrimmage, but in the end zone at the crossbar. In 1962, Owens, playing for the Baltimore Colts, stood in the end zone and blocked a 40-plus yard field goal attempt by Bob Khayat of the Washington Redskins by leaping in the air and flipping the ball away as it was about to eke over the crossbar. His victory was short-lived, because not long after, the NFL changed the rule and made this kind of block illegal. It's a good thing, too, otherwise modern fans might be putting up with high-flying basketball player, Dennis Rodman, through two sports seasons.
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