So who got the better QB, K.C. or Denver? - Page 5

Kclee · 05-02-2006, 10:18 AM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ted/index.html

Yep, last year's overrated/underrated column was right on. Darren Sproles underrated? Check. Fabian Washington overrated? Check. In fact I bet this is another congratulatory call coming in now... Oh crap, it's Bears coach Lovie Smith. "You know I'm never going to let you live down that Tommie Harris/overrated bit two years ago."

Yeah, yeah, I know. Eli Manning still calls to taunt me every two weeks as well. What can I say, some years pan out better than others.

But I've got a good feeling about 2006.

Quarterback
Overrated: Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt
Let me start by saying I do think the pride of the Commodores could well be a solid NFL quarterback. Considering he spent much of his career running from unblocked pass-rushers and throwing to third-rate SEC receivers (until last season, when freshman stud Earl Bennett came on the scene), Cutler's accomplishments at Vandy -- 3,073 yards, 21 touchdowns and nine interceptions as a senior -- were nothing short of remarkable. But the mere fact that many among the NFL cognoscenti are even thinking about taking Cutler ahead of the most dangerous quarterback to come through the college ranks in years (hint: rhymes with "rinse tongue") makes Cutler overrated -- and raises serious questions about how some of these scouts themselves would perform on the Wonderlic.

Underrated: Brodie Croyle, Alabama
Considering how much emphasis the NFL puts on arm strength, you'd think they'd be falling all over themselves for this guy. Croyle has a gun (just ask the Florida secondary). His mechanics are impeccable and his natural leadership abilities had a great deal to do with the Tide jumping out to a 9-0 start last season. I'm sure his substantial injury history (he underwent shoulder and ACL surgeries while in Tuscaloosa) is helping to knock him down the pecking order, but the fifth-year senior was a picture of health last season when he completed nearly 60 percent of his passes for 2,499 yards, 14 touchdowns and just four interceptions. This, despite the fact he played behind a horrendous offensive line that allowed 39 sacks and had to work with a largely unreliable receiving corps after Tyrone Prothro went down with a broken leg.

**Dartgod** · 05-02-2006, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

Cutler has proven to be more natural than Croyle at making a second chance at a play happen, due to his athleticism and ability to escape.

And under Jake's tutelage, he will learn to use those second opportunities to throw left handed interceptions deep in his own territory.

KCTitus · 05-02-2006, 12:52 PM

21 QB's drafted in the 3rd round since 1989...

1989: Erik Wilhelm, Anthony Dilweg
1990: Tommy HOdson, Peter Tom Willis, Neil O'Donnell
1993: Billy Joe Hobert
1995: Stoney Case, Eric Zeier
1996: Bobby Hoying
1998: Jonathan Quinn, Brian Griese
1999: Brock Huard
2000: Chris Redman, Giovanni Carmazzi
2002: Josh McCown
2003: Dave Ragone, Chris Simms
2004: Matt Schaub
2005: Charlie Frye, Andrew Walter, David Greene

Looking at this list, the only QB that ever amounted to a hill of beans was the one that Denver drafted, so it's clear that Croyle has no prayer playing QB in the NFL.

vailpass · 05-02-2006, 12:53 PM

Chiefs Fan:

"Ha ha ha. Broncospaid WAY more for his Schwinn than we did for our sweeeett Huffys. And ours have wheels and pedals and a frame so they must be just as good as yours.
And we paid a LOT less. Both tires have popped but they have patches now. We're so smart. Schwinn and Huffy are the same thing. Uncle Carl said so."

stevieray · 05-02-2006, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

Chiefs Fan:

"Ha ha ha. Broncospaid WAY more for his Schwinn than we did for our sweeeett Huffys. And ours have wheels and pedals and a frame so they must be just as good as yours.
And we paid a LOT less. We're so smart. Schwinn and Huffy are the same thing. Uncle Carl said so."

Given both teams track record of drafting QB's, assuming that Cutler is better because he was chosen by Denver is silly.

Time will tell. Let's see Cutler come back from those injuries before we compare toughness.

**Dave Lane** · 05-02-2006, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

They both got QB's with good arms who took a beating in college. Denver's QB never suffered a major injury though. Advantage - Bronco's. Except for the huge QB controversy that will erupt after the first Plummer INT of the year.

So 14:38 in the 1st game and it all erupts!

Dave

FAX · 05-02-2006, 12:56 PM

There once was a donk fan who thought
Their draft pick was great but he's not.
Cutler never threw scores
'Cause he played for the 'Dores.
The rat's better off picking snot.

FAX

**CosmicPal** · 05-02-2006, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCTitus

21 QB's drafted in the 3rd round since 1989...

1989: Erik Wilhelm, Anthony Dilweg
1990: Tommy HOdson, Peter Tom Willis, Neil O'Donnell
1993: Billy Joe Hobert
1995: Stoney Case, Eric Zeier
1996: Bobby Hoying
1998: Jonathan Quinn, Brian Griese
1999: Brock Huard
2000: Chris Redman, Giovanni Carmazzi
2002: Josh McCown
2003: Dave Ragone, Chris Simms
2004: Matt Schaub
2005: Charlie Frye, Andrew Walter, David Greene

Looking at this list, the only QB that ever amounted to a hill of beans was the one that Denver drafted, so it's clear that Croyle has no prayer playing QB in the NFL.

Wah! Billy Joe Hobert was a freakin' stud, ,man!

Chris Simms seems to be doing all right with Tampa Bay. But, I agree- looking at that list- it doesn't look very good for Croyle. But, does it really matter WHERE they are drafted?

**morphius** · 05-02-2006, 12:58 PM

Its impossible to say, so far Denver has yet to have a QB that didn't need a tight leash and a psychatrist since elway left and KC hasn't devopled a QB anytime recently. Seems to be a bit of a wash.

KCTitus · 05-02-2006, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CosmicPal

Wah! Billy Joe Hobert was a freakin' stud, ,man!

I know...and Carl wasted his pick on a OG that year.

HerculesRockefell · 05-02-2006, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dartgod

And under Jake's tutelage, he will learn to use those second opportunities to throw left handed interceptions deep in his own territory.

Gotta do something to help KC stay in the game at Invesco.

FringeNC · 05-02-2006, 01:07 PM

That article is a joke. Vince Young one of the best QB prospects to come along in years? How can a guy with a 6 Wonderlic score be a successful NFL quarterback? It's just not going to happen.

I'll take Cutler over Croyle, but Croyle over Vince Young.

Neither Cutler nor Croyle had much offensive talent around them. Croyle was the highest ranked QB coming out of high school. He should have gone somewhere other than Alabama, and he may have been a first-rounder too.

vailpass · 05-02-2006, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX

There once was a donk fan who thought
Their draft pick was great but he's not.
Cutler never threw scores
'Cause he played for the 'Dores.
The rat's better off picking snot.

FAX

That shit might cut it in GoChiefs Gay2006HighSchoolPopularityCircleJerkMostPopularCPMemberEVAR111!!!
but it won't win play off games!!!

CupidStunt · 05-02-2006, 01:14 PM

Overall, i'd take Jay Cutler by a solid(ish) margin, but Cutler as the 11th pick or Croyle as the 85th pick, and it ain't even close - Croyle.

Pitt Gorilla · 05-02-2006, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass

WTF? None of those three chumps had anywhere near the on and off field talents/intangibles Cutler has. Feel free to not put words into my mouth going forward, thanks.

I must have missed where I directly attributed anything to you. Note the "I'd GUESS that people LIKE" in my post. Comprehension, Grasshopper.

CupidStunt · 05-02-2006, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taco John

If Bono Croyle can stay healthy, there's no telling how many games he can lose with you guys...

Maybe he can give Jay Cutler a call and ask him for advice on how to deal with losing.

05-02-2006, 10:18 AM
Kclee Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Casino cash: $10014147	So who got the better QB, K.C. or Denver? http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ted/index.html Yep, last year's overrated/underrated column was right on. Darren Sproles underrated? Check. Fabian Washington overrated? Check. In fact I bet this is another congratulatory call coming in now... Oh crap, it's Bears coach Lovie Smith. "You know I'm never going to let you live down that Tommie Harris/overrated bit two years ago." Yeah, yeah, I know. Eli Manning still calls to taunt me every two weeks as well. What can I say, some years pan out better than others. But I've got a good feeling about 2006. Quarterback Overrated: Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt Let me start by saying I do think the pride of the Commodores could well be a solid NFL quarterback. Considering he spent much of his career running from unblocked pass-rushers and throwing to third-rate SEC receivers (until last season, when freshman stud Earl Bennett came on the scene), Cutler's accomplishments at Vandy -- 3,073 yards, 21 touchdowns and nine interceptions as a senior -- were nothing short of remarkable. But the mere fact that many among the NFL cognoscenti are even thinking about taking Cutler ahead of the most dangerous quarterback to come through the college ranks in years (hint: rhymes with "rinse tongue") makes Cutler overrated -- and raises serious questions about how some of these scouts themselves would perform on the Wonderlic. Underrated: Brodie Croyle, Alabama Considering how much emphasis the NFL puts on arm strength, you'd think they'd be falling all over themselves for this guy. Croyle has a gun (just ask the Florida secondary). His mechanics are impeccable and his natural leadership abilities had a great deal to do with the Tide jumping out to a 9-0 start last season. I'm sure his substantial injury history (he underwent shoulder and ACL surgeries while in Tuscaloosa) is helping to knock him down the pecking order, but the fifth-year senior was a picture of health last season when he completed nearly 60 percent of his passes for 2,499 yards, 14 touchdowns and just four interceptions. This, despite the fact he played behind a horrendous offensive line that allowed 39 sacks and had to work with a largely unreliable receiving corps after Tyrone Prothro went down with a broken leg.
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05-02-2006, 12:52 PM	#62
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9882732	21 QB's drafted in the 3rd round since 1989... 1989: Erik Wilhelm, Anthony Dilweg 1990: Tommy HOdson, Peter Tom Willis, Neil O'Donnell 1993: Billy Joe Hobert 1995: Stoney Case, Eric Zeier 1996: Bobby Hoying 1998: Jonathan Quinn, Brian Griese 1999: Brock Huard 2000: Chris Redman, Giovanni Carmazzi 2002: Josh McCown 2003: Dave Ragone, Chris Simms 2004: Matt Schaub 2005: Charlie Frye, Andrew Walter, David Greene Looking at this list, the only QB that ever amounted to a hill of beans was the one that Denver drafted, so it's clear that Croyle has no prayer playing QB in the NFL. __________________ Anything you post on this BB can and will be used against you...
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05-02-2006, 12:58 PM	#68
morphius World's finest morphius Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $5695027	Its impossible to say, so far Denver has yet to have a QB that didn't need a tight leash and a psychatrist since elway left and KC hasn't devopled a QB anytime recently. Seems to be a bit of a wash.
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05-02-2006, 01:07 PM	#71
FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $-1813986	That article is a joke. Vince Young one of the best QB prospects to come along in years? How can a guy with a 6 Wonderlic score be a successful NFL quarterback? It's just not going to happen. I'll take Cutler over Croyle, but Croyle over Vince Young. Neither Cutler nor Croyle had much offensive talent around them. Croyle was the highest ranked QB coming out of high school. He should have gone somewhere other than Alabama, and he may have been a first-rounder too.
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05-02-2006, 01:14 PM	#73
CupidStunt offense > defense Join Date: Jul 2005 Casino cash: $-806668	Overall, i'd take Jay Cutler by a solid(ish) margin, but Cutler as the 11th pick or Croyle as the 85th pick, and it ain't even close - Croyle.
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