I can't believe there's not a thread about Gun's interviews on the front page... - Page 5

htismaqe · 05-04-2006, 02:44 PM

Gun did back-to-back interviews on 610 and 810 today, great stuff, I think I might actually become a fan.

I think he's been reading Chiefsplanet for some time. More specifically, the ****er is stealing my research!

First he said that "all great defenses have great safeties" and talked alot about Dawkins and Lynch. Then he went on to say that he and his staff spent alot of time since the end of the season formulating an argument about how to build a defense. He said a great defense is built with first day draft picks (an argument that I made 2 or 3 years ago by going through several rosters and showing how many 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounders New England, Baltimore, Tampa, and others had for starters). His research led to some interesting points

All of the top defenses in the league had at least 8 1st-day picks starting on defense (except Pittsburgh, they were the anomaly). We had 4 when he got here. The juicy tidbit is that we had 7 last year and he sees 9 this year (I'm guessing that means Hali and Pollard are being counted on to start right away). He also said that in the NFC there were only 4 starting CB's who were not 1st-day draft picks.

ct · 05-05-2006, 09:07 AM

I don't buy the sacrificial year. They tried, it didn't work, and now they spin. Just like every other team does. Same goes for talking up the draft picks, every team does it. Just the way it is.

Coogs · 05-05-2006, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The only thing that gives me confidence for THIS year (it doesn't exactly make me feel good, though) is that Gunther almost sounded like last season was a sacrificial year.

He made it sound like we didn't have the horses on defense last year to get it done, and he knew it early. So he put guys like Bell in there to learn the system, rather than to do what they were good at.

Gun is the only guy that DOESN'T give me confidence for this year. Damn, last season he specifically asked for Knight, Surtain, Bell, and Hall. Seems to me like he may have asked for one more too. He also had a 2nd year Allen, a vastly improved Mitchell, and a huge bonus in DJ. WTF does he mean he didn't have the horses to get it done and had to sacrifice the season?

IMO, he should have been thrown out the door with the old regime.

htismaqe · 05-05-2006, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by sedated

He was actually a second round pick - number 39 overall.

looks like your reasoning might need adjustment

No, the reasoning doesn't need adjustment, the type does.

He was a former first-DAY pick.

htismaqe · 05-05-2006, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

I skipped my morning coffee so perhaps I a bit slower than usual this morning, but what new "horses" do the Chiefs have this year as starters? Who are the new horses who are going to make a dramatic impact and make a big difference on D?

If Gun did in fact make it sound like last year was a sacrificial year (which I doubt) then screw him for wasting DV's final year and a twilight year of guys like Green, Roaf and Shields.

If Herm is going to want to play cover 2, I don't see how Bell's role is changed any for the better.

The new horses are Hali and Pollard.

As for the rest of your post, I see your point.

htismaqe · 05-05-2006, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Gun is the only guy that DOESN'T give me confidence for this year. Damn, last season he specifically asked for Knight, Surtain, Bell, and Hall. Seems to me like he may have asked for one more too. He also had a 2nd year Allen, a vastly improved Mitchell, and a huge bonus in DJ. WTF does he mean he didn't have the horses to get it done and had to sacrifice the season?

IMO, he should have been thrown out the door with the old regime.

I understand what you're saying and I'm right there with you. I can't stand Gunther.

But what's the point of going into next season thinking that we can't win as long as he's here?

I might as well root for another team if that's the case.

ct · 05-05-2006, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I understand what you're saying and I'm right there with you. I can't stand Gunther.

But what's the point of going into next season thinking that we can't win as long as he's here?

I might as well root for another team if that's the case.

You could always pull for the Royals.

Chiefnj · 05-05-2006, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The new horses are Hali and Pollard.

As for the rest of your post, I see your point.

Two rookies are the horses to turn the page this year?

I love the Hali pick. But reality tells me, (a) Hicks (who is a Gunther favorite) is still going to get playing time, (b) rookie impact is always limited, (c) Hali's impact is going to be further limited by the sub-par performance of KC's DT's. and (d) Gun and Herm have already discussed moving Hali into a DT spot in some situations even further limiting, IMHO, Hali's impact.

As for Pollard, I'm coming around to liking the pick more than I did a week ago, but I don't see him unseating Knight, the defensive leader and brains of the team.

I also agree with what Coogs has already posted. First it was "I can win with the existing players, they just need a new scheme." Then it was "I really need this shopping list of players." The shopping list is obtained and then it is "I still need more."

Frankie · 05-05-2006, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by FAX

I may be alone in this, Mr. Otter, but I haven't given up on Bell as yet. I don't think he was used correctly last year (as many have said), but I also believe his shoulder was giving him more problems than many knew.

Additionally, I don't believe he whines, neg reps, or has contracted herpes, and he probably has a high sperm count, too.

FAX

You are NOT alone.

Archie Bunker · 05-05-2006, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The new horses are Hali and Pollard.
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I think Ron Edwards is going to be a good new horse as well. A healthy Carlos Hall is going to help too.

htismaqe · 05-05-2006, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

Two rookies are the horses to turn the page this year?

I love the Hali pick. But reality tells me, (a) Hicks (who is a Gunther favorite) is still going to get playing time, (b) rookie impact is always limited, (c) Hali's impact is going to be further limited by the sub-par performance of KC's DT's. and (d) Gun and Herm have already discussed moving Hali into a DT spot in some situations even further limiting, IMHO, Hali's impact.

As for Pollard, I'm coming around to liking the pick more than I did a week ago, but I don't see him unseating Knight, the defensive leader and brains of the team.

I also agree with what Coogs has already posted. First it was "I can win with the existing players, they just need a new scheme." Then it was "I really need this shopping list of players." The shopping list is obtained and then it is "I still need more."

Gunther threw Hicks under the bus. He flat-out said that this team had 4 1st-day picks starting on defense when he got here. Now they've got seven. He said we're gonna have 2 more.

And again, I don't disagree with you at all. I just can't see what product purpose is served by poo-pooing the upcoming season because of something like this.

I didn't want him retained, but he was. Might as well give him what he wants. The worst thing that could happen is that he fails and we start over. However, the upside is that he's FINALLY right.

Frankie · 05-05-2006, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by sedated

that post had nothing to do with what Gun said, or Gun at all.

Did yours?

The only two posts above you were htismaqe's thread starter (which had everything to do with Gun, and el borracho's which was at least about our 'D' and therefore indirectly about our DC. Both were more relevant than yours. My reaction was mostly because I thought you were replying to htismaqe. Apparently he thought so to (post #6). Next time may I suggest to quote the post you want to reply to?

Frankie · 05-05-2006, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

No, had everything to do with you being a jackass...

Note the smilies in the original thread starter.

I am begining to think he was replying to el borracho, not you. Even if that was the case I don't think el borracho's was so unrelated to the topic to merit such a reaction. Sedated would have done well to add something to the discussion, instead of just attacking someone.

Frankie · 05-05-2006, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by arc

I wonder if he means Battle starting at corner. I have a hard time seeing Pollard unseating Knight this season.

Agreed. I hope Pollard is everything the Chiefs think he is. But even so, I think he should alternate with Knight at most.

Frankie · 05-05-2006, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by el borracho

Yeah, of our current CBs I would guess that Battle is Gun's first choice to start. But Battle may or may not be healthy.

* Battle has size and (did have) speed and has some limited NFL experience. Battle was also Gun's choice to start last year and then hurt himself. Is he healthy enough to play and/ or start this year?
* Sapp has NFL experience but is not prototypical CB size and I think Gun puts a premium on size and speed. Will Sapp's experience override his physical shortcomings and keep him on the roster?
* Hodge has size but was a day 2 pick, has only practice squad experience and was selected before Herm got here. Will Hodge's practice squad experience earn him a roster spot over Maxey?
* Maxey has size and speed but was a day 2 pick. Obviously, Maxey has no NFL experience and only limited college experience but he was chosen in the Herm Edwards era. Will we try to sneak him onto the practice squad this year to gain experience or will Gun be enamored by his physical attributes?

Good, well reasoned post.

Side note:

Nothing will make me happier than the sight of Battle as a stud CB. If nothing else, for the cool name he has. Seems like the Chiefs stopped filling the roster with cool names (Lanier, Hill, Otis Taylor, etc) after the Stram era and now are more into forgetable common names (Johnson, Wilson, Williams, etc.)

htismaqe · 05-05-2006, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

I am begining to think he was replying to el borracho, not you. Even if that was the case I don't think el borracho's was so unrelated to the topic to merit such a reaction. Sedated would have done well to add something to the discussion, instead of just attacking someone.

Actually, he was responding to me and the portion of my post where I was saying "I told you so."

He missed the smilie, or he was looking for some reason to bitch at me.

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