I am a GOOD American - Page 5

05-05-2001, 04:44 PM

I am your best friend. I am a GOOD American.

I like big cars, big hooters, and big paychecks. I believe that the money I make belongs to me and my family, but I recognize that it is to my benefit if as many people as possible get fed, clothed, and get a good education, so I don’t mind having to pay taxes. I recognize that I live in a society that makes it possible for me to live so nicely, and I’m ok with giving back to that society.

I am in touch with my feelings. I know who I am. I’m not afraid of facing the truth, even when it is ugly. I don’t believe that anyone has ever died because of something that Ozzy Osbourne sang, though I recognize that children are impressionable, so I do my best to be a good role model for those who might look for me to be one. I don’t believe that owning a gun makes you a killer, though I have no problem with gun control. I think licensing handguns is a good idea that would hurt nobody but the lazy, and that if you think that licensing is the first step to confiscation, then you really don’t know what America is all about. Don’t tread on me with your ignorance.

I don’t think that being a minority makes you noble or victimized, but I recognize that this country was built in large part by slaves who paid the way for a lot of the rich families of this country. Like I said before, I’m not afraid of facing the truth, even when it is ugly. I realize that this land was stolen from the Indians who lived on it before us. I think it’s a shame when people marginalize the sacrifices that the American Indians gave up for this great country.

I believe that graduating from college is the best thing you can do for yourself, and I don’t care how you pay for it. I believe that anyone who really wants to graduate from college can… Where there’s a will, there’s a way. Don’t come crying to me because you trapped yourself in a factory job and bought a really cool car before you put a serious investment in yourself. But don’t worry, I pay taxes to help people like you if you did. And I’m more than happy to do so, sitting in my office with a view, and diplomas on the wall.

I believe that my daughter is just as smart as your son. She could probably kick his *** too, if she put her mind to it. And it will be over my dead body that you deny her of the same opportunities that your son should enjoy. This is America, and females are Americans too.

I am happy to see that President Bush is doing his weekly addresses in both English and Spanish. America is the land of the diverse, and if you can’t handle that, then you are in the wrong place. I'm against the weekly presidential radio address being in ebonics though.

I am my own hero. I don’t need to look to anyone but my God, myself, and my family for strength. I like watching television, but I’m not going to make fictional characters my heroes. You can pretend that you’re John Wayne if you want. My little son thinks that he’s a cowboy too. When he gets old enough, he’ll realize that there is no such thing as a cowboy anymore… Just farmers, and God bless them all.

I believe that every vote should count, and I’m not fooled by the results of this last election. I’ll accept it, but I believe the next time we should actually VOTE the president in. It was a tough situation, and I can see both sides. I’m not going to pretend that one side or the other was wrong or right, but I will say that the Supreme Court shouldn’t have acted so visibly biased. The solutions are out there if you bother to look for them in every instance, including this one.

You can be proud of yourself for being a BAD American if that’s what you are. I’ll choose to be proud of being a GOOD American, because that’s what I am.

Frazod · 05-06-2001, 03:57 PM

SD: Yes, I know smoking's bad for me. I'd like to quit, but on my own terms, not because the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia (damn I like that - hat's off to Rick) tells me to.

And Taco: I like my country. I don't, however, like what idiots like you are doing to it.

And you're free to move, too. Right the fuck back to Mexico.

Still waiting for an answer and/or my new car.

05-06-2001, 04:01 PM

Actually frazod,

You should ask why America can't take care of itself. Why does it need immigrants, legal and "illegal" to take care of its dirty, unhealthy, risky jobs. Why are its standards of literacy and education among the lowest for industrial nations? Why is its health care system among the worst for industrialized nations? Why is the murder rate the highest, the prison population the largest, the infant mortality rate among the highest, the rates of cancer, AIDS, tuberculosis, and Alzheimer's among the highest, and the percentage of bi-lingual speakers among the lowest within industrialized nations?

At least Mexico has an excuse---when you start poor it's hard to break out of that poverty, especially when you get charged more for everything you buy, and paid less for everything you sell.

Soliday

Oh, and it's a fact reported by the government---immigrants. both legal and "illegal" pay more in taxes than they receive back in benefits.

05-06-2001, 04:03 PM

I don't understand where you are going with this new car take... It doesn't add up to anything. It's one thing for a mother to ask the government for money to feed her kids. It's another thing for a fascist ******* who thinks that America exists in a vaccum to ask for a new car.

So I ask you, what is your point?

Rick Stephens · 05-06-2001, 04:05 PM

sd4Chiefs

As a citizen of this country I am tired of people like you who think that we have an open border. You bring your trash to this country by spray painting graffitti everywhere, commiting crimes and expecting a free handout at every corner. If you want to come here legally, learn the language and obey the laws that is one thing. But don't come to my country illegally and expected to be welcomed with open arms.

Where in the Constitution of the United States does it say that as a citizen of this country that we must support the world with our tax dollars?

As for the lettuce, I don't eat the stuff so can rot in the fields for all I care.

It is liberals like you who want to take my rights away from me and shove you views down my throat, which I do not appreciate.

KCWolfman · 05-06-2001, 04:05 PM

John - Where do you get your ideas? Why is MY government responsible for a woman and her child from another country here illegally? I don't remember anything in the Constitution that covers this. Frankly, we have enough LEGAL human beings in our country without having to take care of a bunch of pandering aliens.

Frazod · 05-06-2001, 04:06 PM

So that's your answer? What answer? I asked why Mexico can't fix its own problems. Are you saying they fix them by invading my country? Gee, that's nice.

So I guess if we were neighbors, and you were broke, had nothing to eat, and your roof was caving in, rather than deal with your own problems, get your own food and fix your own roof, you'd just show up at my doorstep and say "Howdy, neighbor, give me your house and your food, and to hell with you, because it's the right thing to do!"

I'd kind of feel like your problems were your business. I guess that's not a very liberal attitude.

So why don't you drop all the bullshit and ANSWER MY QUESTION: WHY CAN'T MEXICO SOLVE ITS OWN PROBLEMS? Are they too ignorant, or irresponsible, or just too lazy? What is the answer?

KCWolfman · 05-06-2001, 04:08 PM

Soliday, I have never seen a report to that effect. Can you provide a link?

I find it hard to believe that someone receiving welfare and food stamps pays taxes at any level except when purchasing products on a free market.

NaptownChief · 05-06-2001, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by soliday
. Why are its standards of literacy and education among the lowest for industrial nations?

Oh, and it's a fact reported by the government---immigrants. both legal and "illegal" pay more in taxes than they receive back in benefits.

Let me help you on this...The education averages are brought down by certain segments of our society that make no effort for self improvement, instead they prefer to blame everyone else but themselves for their failures....For those who take advantage of our education system excel at the highest levels in the world. Those who choose to take advantage of the opportunity and education in the United States make us the worlds economic leader...

As for your "government fact", the tax figure that you are using includes legal Asian immigrants which are generally educated high producers in our country...You remove them from the equation and the numbers are tilted right back to the fact that illegal Mexican immigrants cost the US tax payers billions of $$$$'s.

Frazod · 05-06-2001, 04:22 PM

TACO WROTE:

"I don't understand where you are going with this new car take... It doesn't add up to anything. It's one thing for a mother to ask the government for money to feed her kids. It's another thing for a fascist ******* who thinks that America exists in a vaccum to ask for a new car.

So I ask you, what is your point?"

Taco: What's to understand? I'M USING YOUR LOGIC. I'm not entitled to a new Corvette, because I didn't earn it, but SO WHAT. I want one, so give it to me. You've got money, so spend your friggin money on me and buy me my damn car, no matter what the personal cost to you. I'm entitled! It's my right!

This is, in essence, exactly what you propose the rest of us do by allowing these hordes of illegals to invade our country.

Frazod · 05-06-2001, 04:30 PM

SOLLIDAY WROTE:

"You should ask why America can't take care of itself. Why does it need immigrants, legal and "illegal" to take care of its dirty, unhealthy, risky jobs. Why are its standards of literacy and education among the lowest for industrial nations? Why is its health care system among the worst for industrialized nations? Why is the murder rate the highest, the prison population the largest, the infant mortality rate among the highest, the rates of cancer, AIDS, tuberculosis, and Alzheimer's among the highest, and the percentage of bi-lingual speakers among the lowest within industrialized nations? "

As for dirty, unhealty, risky jobs, I was in the Service for six years. Find an unheathier job that than.

As for the other crap you point out, which is certainly indicitive of this country going straight to hell, I would answer that perhaps the problem stems from the fact that THIS COUNTRY IS THE WORLD'S fuckING GARBAGE CAN. If you omit from your equations the people who SHOULDN'T BE HERE, I think your stats would shrink dramatically.

05-06-2001, 04:32 PM

First of all, where did I say that we should be supporting illegals anywhere? I simply posed that killing mexicans is a bad idea, and no solution at all. And I presented the real problem: too much opportunity. My solution is not to reduce opportunity in America, but the problem should be addressed at it's source, not at it's symptom.

Why do Mexicans come to America? Because the American companies that moved their work across the borders pay like ****. That's one. Add to that the fact that the American companies do whatever it takes to make certain that cheap labor stays cheap by corrupting their government, that's two. Gee, it sounds like America just might be part of the problem.

Now add to that the fact that there are a plethora of opportunities in America that will make you live like a king in Mexico, and you've got yourself a pretty good picture of the problem. If you didn't read my link below explaining how the Meth trade works, you might want to give it a read... Here it is again: http://www.methvalley.com/chapter_5.html

Fix the drug war, and you've fixed a big part of the problem by eliminating opportunity.

Give me solutions, not racist mumbo jumbo.

05-06-2001, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KCWolfman
Why is MY government responsible for ...

Being the leaders of the free world is a tough cross to bear. The head is heavy that wears the crown. Along with being leaders comes responsibility. We'll drag you along with us kicking and screaming, but you are not going to stop progress, no matter how hard you try. Progress just happens.

KCWolfman · 05-06-2001, 04:36 PM

John - You never DIRECTLY stated that we should be supporting illegal aliens, but you did allude to the idea that we are forced to with the sarcastic comment:

"And if paying welfare is such a problem for you, why don't you just stop paying it"

Alluding to the idea that the illegals are here and we must pay for them.

05-06-2001, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KCWolfman
John - You never DIRECTLY stated that we should be supporting illegal aliens, but you did allude to the idea that we are forced to with the sarcastic comment:

"And if paying welfare is such a problem for you, why don't you just stop paying it"

Alluding to the idea that the illegals are here and we must pay for them.

That's a pretty big jump in logic, but I'll let you take it. You can twist my words to fit your narrow view of the world how you please. But either way, I don't want anybody dying in America from starvation, no matter what border they crossed. We produce so much food here it's sick how much of it goes to waste.

05-06-2001, 04:44 PM

Wolfman,

The US government has overthrown elected governments in Guatemala, Iran, Chile, Nicaragua, and Panama. It has interfered by secret funding and disinformation in elections in Italy, Korea, Haiti, Australia, and many other countries. Where is that in the US Constitution? You run behind the Constitution when you don't like something, but you don't bother asking about these things, do you? The US government has created many of the dictatorships that drive the population to leave, then they slam the door on immigration from those countries. When the Sandinistas in Nicaragua overthrew the dictator Somosa, the US suddenly allowed hundreds of thousands of Nicaraguans into the US; but while the El Salvadoran government was fighting a civil war and operating death squads, including the one that killed US nuns, the US held Salvadoran immigration to less than 1,800 a year. Go check some websites on El Salvador and Nicaragua, I'm not going to do your work.

As for the facts on US rank in crime, education, etc.---go to the United Nations website under UNESCO.

JL80---most of Europe has more open immigration laws, and large immigrant populations. Why haven't "certain elements" ---identify these--- driven down these standards, not just education, in other industrialized countries? As for Asian versus "other" immigrant groups I'll check that.

Soliday

Just a poll question: Who on this board has been outside the US? And where?

05-05-2001, 04:44 PM
Taco John Guest Casino cash: $	I am your best friend. I am a GOOD American. I like big cars, big hooters, and big paychecks. I believe that the money I make belongs to me and my family, but I recognize that it is to my benefit if as many people as possible get fed, clothed, and get a good education, so I don’t mind having to pay taxes. I recognize that I live in a society that makes it possible for me to live so nicely, and I’m ok with giving back to that society. I am in touch with my feelings. I know who I am. I’m not afraid of facing the truth, even when it is ugly. I don’t believe that anyone has ever died because of something that Ozzy Osbourne sang, though I recognize that children are impressionable, so I do my best to be a good role model for those who might look for me to be one. I don’t believe that owning a gun makes you a killer, though I have no problem with gun control. I think licensing handguns is a good idea that would hurt nobody but the lazy, and that if you think that licensing is the first step to confiscation, then you really don’t know what America is all about. Don’t tread on me with your ignorance. I don’t think that being a minority makes you noble or victimized, but I recognize that this country was built in large part by slaves who paid the way for a lot of the rich families of this country. Like I said before, I’m not afraid of facing the truth, even when it is ugly. I realize that this land was stolen from the Indians who lived on it before us. I think it’s a shame when people marginalize the sacrifices that the American Indians gave up for this great country. I believe that graduating from college is the best thing you can do for yourself, and I don’t care how you pay for it. I believe that anyone who really wants to graduate from college can… Where there’s a will, there’s a way. Don’t come crying to me because you trapped yourself in a factory job and bought a really cool car before you put a serious investment in yourself. But don’t worry, I pay taxes to help people like you if you did. And I’m more than happy to do so, sitting in my office with a view, and diplomas on the wall. I believe that my daughter is just as smart as your son. She could probably kick his *** too, if she put her mind to it. And it will be over my dead body that you deny her of the same opportunities that your son should enjoy. This is America, and females are Americans too. I am happy to see that President Bush is doing his weekly addresses in both English and Spanish. America is the land of the diverse, and if you can’t handle that, then you are in the wrong place. I'm against the weekly presidential radio address being in ebonics though. I am my own hero. I don’t need to look to anyone but my God, myself, and my family for strength. I like watching television, but I’m not going to make fictional characters my heroes. You can pretend that you’re John Wayne if you want. My little son thinks that he’s a cowboy too. When he gets old enough, he’ll realize that there is no such thing as a cowboy anymore… Just farmers, and God bless them all. I believe that every vote should count, and I’m not fooled by the results of this last election. I’ll accept it, but I believe the next time we should actually VOTE the president in. It was a tough situation, and I can see both sides. I’m not going to pretend that one side or the other was wrong or right, but I will say that the Supreme Court shouldn’t have acted so visibly biased. The solutions are out there if you bother to look for them in every instance, including this one. You can be proud of yourself for being a BAD American if that’s what you are. I’ll choose to be proud of being a GOOD American, because that’s what I am.
Posts: n/a	1 0

05-06-2001, 03:57 PM	#61
Frazod Did you hear what I said? Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-786615	SD: Yes, I know smoking's bad for me. I'd like to quit, but on my own terms, not because the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia (damn I like that - hat's off to Rick) tells me to. And Taco: I like my country. I don't, however, like what idiots like you are doing to it. And you're free to move, too. Right the fuck back to Mexico. Still waiting for an answer and/or my new car.
Posts: 121,774

05-06-2001, 04:01 PM	#62
soliday Guest Casino cash: $	Actually frazod, You should ask why America can't take care of itself. Why does it need immigrants, legal and "illegal" to take care of its dirty, unhealthy, risky jobs. Why are its standards of literacy and education among the lowest for industrial nations? Why is its health care system among the worst for industrialized nations? Why is the murder rate the highest, the prison population the largest, the infant mortality rate among the highest, the rates of cancer, AIDS, tuberculosis, and Alzheimer's among the highest, and the percentage of bi-lingual speakers among the lowest within industrialized nations? At least Mexico has an excuse---when you start poor it's hard to break out of that poverty, especially when you get charged more for everything you buy, and paid less for everything you sell. Soliday Oh, and it's a fact reported by the government---immigrants. both legal and "illegal" pay more in taxes than they receive back in benefits. Last edited by soliday; 05-06-2001 at 04:04 PM..
Posts: n/a

05-06-2001, 04:03 PM	#63
Taco John Guest Casino cash: $	I don't understand where you are going with this new car take... It doesn't add up to anything. It's one thing for a mother to ask the government for money to feed her kids. It's another thing for a fascist ******* who thinks that America exists in a vaccum to ask for a new car. So I ask you, what is your point?
Posts: n/a

05-06-2001, 04:05 PM	#64
Rick Stephens #1 Chiefs Collector Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Garden Grove, California Casino cash: $10004900	sd4Chiefs As a citizen of this country I am tired of people like you who think that we have an open border. You bring your trash to this country by spray painting graffitti everywhere, commiting crimes and expecting a free handout at every corner. If you want to come here legally, learn the language and obey the laws that is one thing. But don't come to my country illegally and expected to be welcomed with open arms. Where in the Constitution of the United States does it say that as a citizen of this country that we must support the world with our tax dollars? As for the lettuce, I don't eat the stuff so can rot in the fields for all I care. It is liberals like you who want to take my rights away from me and shove you views down my throat, which I do not appreciate.
Posts: 291

05-06-2001, 04:05 PM	#65
KCWolfman Fall down 7 times, get up 8 Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	John - Where do you get your ideas? Why is MY government responsible for a woman and her child from another country here illegally? I don't remember anything in the Constitution that covers this. Frankly, we have enough LEGAL human beings in our country without having to take care of a bunch of pandering aliens.
Posts: 15,474

05-06-2001, 04:06 PM	#66
Frazod Did you hear what I said? Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-786615	So that's your answer? What answer? I asked why Mexico can't fix its own problems. Are you saying they fix them by invading my country? Gee, that's nice. So I guess if we were neighbors, and you were broke, had nothing to eat, and your roof was caving in, rather than deal with your own problems, get your own food and fix your own roof, you'd just show up at my doorstep and say "Howdy, neighbor, give me your house and your food, and to hell with you, because it's the right thing to do!" I'd kind of feel like your problems were your business. I guess that's not a very liberal attitude. So why don't you drop all the bullshit and ANSWER MY QUESTION: WHY CAN'T MEXICO SOLVE ITS OWN PROBLEMS? Are they too ignorant, or irresponsible, or just too lazy? What is the answer?
Posts: 121,774

05-06-2001, 04:08 PM	#67
KCWolfman Fall down 7 times, get up 8 Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Soliday, I have never seen a report to that effect. Can you provide a link? I find it hard to believe that someone receiving welfare and food stamps pays taxes at any level except when purchasing products on a free market.
Posts: 15,474

05-06-2001, 04:22 PM	#69
Frazod Did you hear what I said? Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-786615	TACO WROTE: "I don't understand where you are going with this new car take... It doesn't add up to anything. It's one thing for a mother to ask the government for money to feed her kids. It's another thing for a fascist ******* who thinks that America exists in a vaccum to ask for a new car. So I ask you, what is your point?" Taco: What's to understand? I'M USING YOUR LOGIC. I'm not entitled to a new Corvette, because I didn't earn it, but SO WHAT. I want one, so give it to me. You've got money, so spend your friggin money on me and buy me my damn car, no matter what the personal cost to you. I'm entitled! It's my right! This is, in essence, exactly what you propose the rest of us do by allowing these hordes of illegals to invade our country.
Posts: 121,774

05-06-2001, 04:30 PM	#70
Frazod Did you hear what I said? Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-786615	SOLLIDAY WROTE: "You should ask why America can't take care of itself. Why does it need immigrants, legal and "illegal" to take care of its dirty, unhealthy, risky jobs. Why are its standards of literacy and education among the lowest for industrial nations? Why is its health care system among the worst for industrialized nations? Why is the murder rate the highest, the prison population the largest, the infant mortality rate among the highest, the rates of cancer, AIDS, tuberculosis, and Alzheimer's among the highest, and the percentage of bi-lingual speakers among the lowest within industrialized nations? " As for dirty, unhealty, risky jobs, I was in the Service for six years. Find an unheathier job that than. As for the other crap you point out, which is certainly indicitive of this country going straight to hell, I would answer that perhaps the problem stems from the fact that THIS COUNTRY IS THE WORLD'S fuckING GARBAGE CAN. If you omit from your equations the people who SHOULDN'T BE HERE, I think your stats would shrink dramatically.
Posts: 121,774

05-06-2001, 04:32 PM	#71
Taco John Guest Casino cash: $	First of all, where did I say that we should be supporting illegals anywhere? I simply posed that killing mexicans is a bad idea, and no solution at all. And I presented the real problem: too much opportunity. My solution is not to reduce opportunity in America, but the problem should be addressed at it's source, not at it's symptom. Why do Mexicans come to America? Because the American companies that moved their work across the borders pay like ****. That's one. Add to that the fact that the American companies do whatever it takes to make certain that cheap labor stays cheap by corrupting their government, that's two. Gee, it sounds like America just might be part of the problem. Now add to that the fact that there are a plethora of opportunities in America that will make you live like a king in Mexico, and you've got yourself a pretty good picture of the problem. If you didn't read my link below explaining how the Meth trade works, you might want to give it a read... Here it is again: http://www.methvalley.com/chapter_5.html Fix the drug war, and you've fixed a big part of the problem by eliminating opportunity. Give me solutions, not racist mumbo jumbo.
Posts: n/a

05-06-2001, 04:36 PM	#73
KCWolfman Fall down 7 times, get up 8 Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	John - You never DIRECTLY stated that we should be supporting illegal aliens, but you did allude to the idea that we are forced to with the sarcastic comment: "And if paying welfare is such a problem for you, why don't you just stop paying it" Alluding to the idea that the illegals are here and we must pay for them.
Posts: 15,474

05-06-2001, 04:44 PM	#75
soliday Guest Casino cash: $	Wolfman, The US government has overthrown elected governments in Guatemala, Iran, Chile, Nicaragua, and Panama. It has interfered by secret funding and disinformation in elections in Italy, Korea, Haiti, Australia, and many other countries. Where is that in the US Constitution? You run behind the Constitution when you don't like something, but you don't bother asking about these things, do you? The US government has created many of the dictatorships that drive the population to leave, then they slam the door on immigration from those countries. When the Sandinistas in Nicaragua overthrew the dictator Somosa, the US suddenly allowed hundreds of thousands of Nicaraguans into the US; but while the El Salvadoran government was fighting a civil war and operating death squads, including the one that killed US nuns, the US held Salvadoran immigration to less than 1,800 a year. Go check some websites on El Salvador and Nicaragua, I'm not going to do your work. As for the facts on US rank in crime, education, etc.---go to the United Nations website under UNESCO. JL80---most of Europe has more open immigration laws, and large immigrant populations. Why haven't "certain elements" ---identify these--- driven down these standards, not just education, in other industrialized countries? As for Asian versus "other" immigrant groups I'll check that. Soliday Just a poll question: Who on this board has been outside the US? And where?
Posts: n/a