Why do we suck in 2007? Blame our drafts and King Carl. Evidence can't be denied.

[BigRedChief]

I agree with most everyone here that from the 2003 LJ/Jared Allen drafts we have been doing a good job with our drafts. But we are still suffing in 2007 because of these draft years between Tony G and LJ.

2002 - Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position
1 6 Ryan Sims DT
2 43 Eddie Freeman DT
4 107 Omar Easy RB
5 143 Scott Fujita OLB
7 221 Maurice Rodriguez


2001 - Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position
3 75 Eric Downing DT
3 77 Snoop Minnis WR
4 107 Monty Beisel DE
4 108 George LayneRB
5 141 Billy Baber TE
5 150 Derrick Blaylock RB
6 176 Alex Sulfsted T
7 212 Shaunard Harts DB
7 243 Terdell Sands DT

2000 - Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position
1 21 Sylvester Morris WR
2 54 William Bartee CB
3 85 Greg Wesley SS
4 115 Frank Moreau RB
5 153 Dante Hall RB
5 162 Pat Dennis CB
6 188 Darnell Alford T
7 208 Desmond Kitchings WR

1999 - Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position
1 14 John Tait T
2 54 Mike Cloud RB
3 75 Gary Stills LB
3 84 Larry Atkins DB
4 108 Larry Parker WR
7 220 Eric King --

1998 - Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position
1 27 Victor Riley T
3 88 Rashaan Shehee RB
4 120 Greg Favors ILB
5 128 Robert Williams DB
6 181 Derrick Ransom DT
7 216 Eric Warfield DB
7 224 Ernest Blackwell

[ChiefaRoo]

Originally Posted by Dr. Van Halen

I find this underwhelming evidence of massive suckiness.

The draft is a crapshoot. Every team is fairly bad at it.

I'd like to see more comparisons but even with the guess element of the draft these other comparisons clearly show that KC has drafted less effectively.

[chiefsfan1963]

Indy and NE have done a superior job these last 5 years. All credit goes to their Front Offices.

There is no reason this can not be replicated in KC. All it takes is an owner that has the pride and the will to make it happen!

It will be 38 years when the Chief's last went to the SB. Since then only one AFC Championship game has been reached.

The complete turnover of the Front Office Staff is long overdue. It will be 19 years in December since Lamar hired CP and his time here should end for the good of the franchise.

Until this happens Chiefs fans will never see their team win another SB or have a chance for this team to become one of the great dynasties.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by ChiefGator

Okay.. now the comparison...

Chiefs drafted 35 times over these five years with 1 (3%) remaining on our roster and 7 ( 20% ) remaining on a NFL team.

Ravens drafted 34 times over these five years with 3 ( 9% ) remaining on their roster and 12 (35%) remaining on a NFL team.

Broncos drafted 43 times over these five years with 2 (5%) remaining on their roster and 15 (35%) remaining on a NFL team.

Those numbers are not so far apart, and thus lay out how close every team is with drafting. If the Chiefs had as many picks as the Broncos their numbers would be even closer.

Is the point being made that Peterson is a bad drafter? Because he's about a third of the say on who the Chiefs draft, in fact, the coach has the most say, and since you've limited your analysis to 1998-2002 I'd say you're mad at Cunningham, and Vermeil.

[ChiefGator]

Originally Posted by Dr. Van Halen

I find this underwhelming evidence of massive suckiness.

The draft is a crapshoot. Every team is fairly bad at it.

I guess I disagree. If we looked at each team in the league, and on average 35% of their picks from this time frame were still in the league, and only 20% of ours were... that says we can't pick talent.

And then, you could of course look at quality, as was mentioned previously. Or look at numbers.

I'm not as much stressing how many remained on our team, since this is a bit more complicated and has alot more factors. But just look at our ability to judge NFL talent. If we were picking just barely over half as many good players as other teams... we had a problem.

[ChiefGator]

Originally Posted by Messier

Is the point being made that Peterson is a bad drafter? Because he's about a third of the say on who the Chiefs draft, in fact, the coach has the most say, and since you've limited your analysis to 1998-2002 I'd say you're mad at Cunningham, and Vermeil.

I am sticking with the years of the original post's claim. I found no reason to change the years that BRC started with.

And I'm not trying to point fingers at anyone in particular. Heck, I'm just posting numbers out of interest. When I started, I had no axe to grind. Maybe I should do a couple more teams for more comparison.

All that said, if we are hitting 20% and others are hitting 35%... there is/was a problem.. whether that was Marty, Gun, Vermiel, or Carl.. I don't know. I think we ARE drafting better now, but that is just a hunch.

Sticking with statistics...

Gaz... er.. Mark

[Dr. Van Halen]

Originally Posted by ChiefGator

I guess I disagree. If we looked at each team in the league, and on average 35% of their picks from this time frame were still in the league, and only 20% of ours were... that says we can't pick talent.

And then, you could of course look at quality, as was mentioned previously. Or look at numbers.

I'm not as much stressing how many remained on our team, since this is a bit more complicated and has alot more factors. But just look at our ability to judge NFL talent. If we were picking just barely over half as many good players as other teams... we had a problem.

Yes, we definately had a problem. Those were some pretty bad drafts. They just weren't that much worse than everyone else. 20% versus your hypothetical 35% (which I think is very high as an estimate) is horrible versus somewhat crappier.

I don't think it is the answer as to why we suck in 2007 and I don't think it can all be blamed on Peterson.

[Chief Faithful]

I'm interested to learn if any team in the NFL has a worse draft record over the same period. It looks to me like the Chiefs draft record directly correllates to their recent mediocrity. If true, I'm glad Herm is on board because these last two drafts have been fantastic.

[RustShack]

I like the direction the Chiefs are heading in with Herm, but it sucks that it will take time.