Help for KC at Wide Receiver - Page 5

Wilson8 · 02-26-2008, 11:14 PM

Just found this information and thought I would share with you.

There's been a lot written about the KC Chiefs needing to draft or sign a free agent wide receiver to compliment Dwayne Bowe. The following might shed some light on the free agent wide receivers.

I found this web site and it has some pretty interesting stats - http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr.php

I took the information from that Web site and then created a list for free agent wide receivers for this year.

Free Agent Wide Receivers Available for 2008
Justin Gage, TEN Titans, made 65% of catches on balls thrown to him. Ranked 28th with this footballoutsider.com evaluation.
Dante Stallworth, NE Patriots, made 62% of catches on balls thrown to him.
Ranked 31st.
Jabar Gaffney, NE Patriots, made 72% of catches on balls thrown to him. Ranked 41st.
Bernard Berrian, CHI Bears, made 55% of catches on balls thrown to him.
Ranked 53rd.
Andre Davis, HOU Texans, made 52% of catches on balls thrown to him. Ranked 63rd.
Bryant Johnson, ARZ Cardinals, made 52% of catches on balls thrown to him.
Ranked 71st.
D.J. Hackett, SEA Seahawks, made 68% of catches on balls thrown to him. Not ranked because only had 47 passes thrown to him.
Devery Henderson, NO Saints, made 48% of catches on balls thrown to him.
Not ranked because only had 42 passes thrown to him.
Samie Parker, KC Chiefs, made 62% of catches on balls thrown to him. Not ranked because only had 39 passes thrown to him.

Chiefs_5627 · 02-27-2008, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I don't think that guy saw the same guy I did.....he runs deep that's the only thing he does well.

Kinda funny to bring up Johnsons first year in the league when that was roughly what 5 years ago?

Hey think what you want but from what I've seen Johnson is easily the best FA WR.

He was the guy catching passes from future h.o.f.s Rex Grossman, Brian Griese and Kyle Orton. I live in the thick of NFC Central and have watch Bears VERY often (kinda my backup team) so id like to know what game you watched?

Mecca · 02-27-2008, 10:18 AM

Um the Bears are on pretty frequently and I know my Bears fan friend hates him....

I also don't base my opinion of a player based upon what I read on some website. He's fast, he can run deep, that is the only part of his game that is worth a damn in my view. I like Johnsons game better he can do more things...he isn't as fast but he's better at everything else..

Just no one knows because he plays with probably the best WR tandem in the leaguem while Berrian was playing with Muhammed and no namers.

**jjchieffan** · 02-27-2008, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I don't think that guy saw the same guy I did.....he runs deep that's the only thing he does well.

Nobody sees the same guy you do Mecca. I just can't figure out why you don't have a career as an NFL expert, since you clearly know more than any of the ones out there already.

I think Berrian's problem has been more a result of bad QB play than anything else. Put him with an above average QB, and I think he has the potential to be a pro bowler.

Mecca · 02-27-2008, 10:21 AM

Are you aware of the WR talent in this league.......pro bowl, he won't even crack the top 20 and that's with everything being perfect.

Chiefs_5627 · 02-27-2008, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Um the Bears are on pretty frequently and I know my Bears fan friend hates him....

I also don't base my opinion of a player based upon what I read on some website. He's fast, he can run deep, that is the only part of his game that is worth a damn in my view. I like Johnsons game better he can do more things...he isn't as fast but he's better at everything else..

Just no one knows because he plays with probably the best WR tandem in the leaguem while Berrian was playing with Muhammed and no namers.

What a coinkinkydink i have Bears buddies and they love him. BJ had a shot to shine in the 2 years before Fitz and didnt do squat while Boldin was lighting it up. You'd think a "prize" wr would take advantage of the one on ones. I like how you leave out the fact that Berrian was catching passes from downright awful qbs.

If you said you prefer BJ over Berrian...cool, but lets not make shit up about a guy you know nothing about or better yet, "my buddy hates him".

Mecca · 02-27-2008, 10:28 AM

"Look at his stats Look at his stats" What guys were 5 years ago really isn't that important..

Johnson brings more of a total package that is why I prefer him. I could list 25 WR's I'd rather have than Berrian pretty easy, if you want a speed guy that's fine just don't overpay for him or find one that is more than just that.

Chiefs_5627 · 02-27-2008, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

"Look at his stats Look at his stats" What guys were 5 years ago really isn't that important..

Johnson brings more of a total package that is why I prefer him. I could list 25 WR's I'd rather have than Berrian pretty easy, if you want a speed guy that's fine just don't overpay for him or find one that is more than just that.

What did i say about stats? The guy didnt do shit while Boldin was lighting it up. Youre the one who was using the excuse about him being "trapped behind all stars".

Again with the "just a speed guy", it painfully obvious you know absolutely nothing about the guy and we'll just leave it at that.

Mecca · 02-27-2008, 10:40 AM

Ok I wasn't going to do this, but seeing as you think you are informed....

http://www.nfl.com/players/bryantjoh...e?id=JOH086211

http://www.nfl.com/players/bernardbe...e?id=BER454540

Lets see Johnson is a year younger..his physical tools are better...and I won't even get into those stats and projects if Johnson actually started 16 games.

Chiefs_5627 · 02-27-2008, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

Ok I wasn't going to do this, but seeing as you think you are informed....

http://www.nfl.com/players/bryantjoh...e?id=JOH086211

http://www.nfl.com/players/bernardbe...e?id=BER454540

Lets see Johnson is a year younger..his physical tools are better...and I won't even get into those stats and projects if Johnson actually started 16 games.

All i see is a WR (BB) who has gotten better every year and a WR who's best year came while being a #3. What exactly am i looking at here? Are you trying to prove ME right?

You were just crying about "stats stats stats" and now you try to use them to "prove" something but wind up looking even more silly in the process?!?

Micjones · 02-27-2008, 11:12 AM

Justin Gage would be an excellent FA addition.
He won't be as big a target as Berrian or Johnson and will be more affordable.

beach tribe · 02-27-2008, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Justin Gage is just big and slow, I don't know what the obsession is with wanting KU/MU/and Kstate players on the team.

If you wanna sign Lloyd that's fine, I remember being pissed when we drafted Brett Williams over him.

I watched every Titans game last year, because I'm from TN, and all my family are Titans fans.

Gage is NOT slow. 4.43? Is he the burner that we need? No, but this guy is under the radar, undervalued, about to break out, and any team would dumb not to try, and get this guy at the price he's gonna be had for.
He's a guy you want on the field on third down. He makes plays.

Micjones · 02-27-2008, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

I watched every Titans game last year, because I'm from TN, and all my family are Titans fans.

Gage is NOT slow. 4.43? Is he the burner that we need? No, but this guy is under the radar, undervalued, about to break out, and any team would dumb not to try, and get this guy at the price he's gonna be had for.
He's a guy you want on the field on third down. He makes plays.

His affordability and potential made him an excellent FA option.
Especially considering what we lack in pass-catching talent.

beach tribe · 02-27-2008, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones

His affordability and potential made him an excellent FA option.
Especially considering what we lack in pass-catching talent.

I would be thrilled to see us pick him up. I watched him with envy all year.

**Bowser** · 02-27-2008, 11:24 AM

With all the turds we have at receiver after Bowe, I'd be thrilled with any FA signing.

Micjones · 02-27-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

I would be thrilled to see us pick him up. I watched him with envy all year.

It makes too much sense to get him inked and turn our attention elsewhere.
I might also considering drafting a Wide Receiver in the Middle Rounds though.
Depends on what happens with Samie Parker. I wouldn't mind seeing him resigned.

But there's always Webb... Hopefully he'll improve and really take a big step this season.

02-26-2008, 11:14 PM
Wilson8 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $2827557	Help for KC at Wide Receiver Just found this information and thought I would share with you. There's been a lot written about the KC Chiefs needing to draft or sign a free agent wide receiver to compliment Dwayne Bowe. The following might shed some light on the free agent wide receivers. I found this web site and it has some pretty interesting stats - http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr.php I took the information from that Web site and then created a list for free agent wide receivers for this year. Free Agent Wide Receivers Available for 2008 Justin Gage, TEN Titans, made 65% of catches on balls thrown to him. Ranked 28th with this footballoutsider.com evaluation. Dante Stallworth, NE Patriots, made 62% of catches on balls thrown to him. Ranked 31st. Jabar Gaffney, NE Patriots, made 72% of catches on balls thrown to him. Ranked 41st. Bernard Berrian, CHI Bears, made 55% of catches on balls thrown to him. Ranked 53rd. Andre Davis, HOU Texans, made 52% of catches on balls thrown to him. Ranked 63rd. Bryant Johnson, ARZ Cardinals, made 52% of catches on balls thrown to him. Ranked 71st. D.J. Hackett, SEA Seahawks, made 68% of catches on balls thrown to him. Not ranked because only had 47 passes thrown to him. Devery Henderson, NO Saints, made 48% of catches on balls thrown to him. Not ranked because only had 42 passes thrown to him. Samie Parker, KC Chiefs, made 62% of catches on balls thrown to him. Not ranked because only had 39 passes thrown to him.
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02-27-2008, 10:18 AM	#62
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-702950	Um the Bears are on pretty frequently and I know my Bears fan friend hates him.... I also don't base my opinion of a player based upon what I read on some website. He's fast, he can run deep, that is the only part of his game that is worth a damn in my view. I like Johnsons game better he can do more things...he isn't as fast but he's better at everything else.. Just no one knows because he plays with probably the best WR tandem in the leaguem while Berrian was playing with Muhammed and no namers.
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02-27-2008, 10:21 AM	#64
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-702950	Are you aware of the WR talent in this league.......pro bowl, he won't even crack the top 20 and that's with everything being perfect.
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02-27-2008, 10:28 AM	#66
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-702950	"Look at his stats Look at his stats" What guys were 5 years ago really isn't that important.. Johnson brings more of a total package that is why I prefer him. I could list 25 WR's I'd rather have than Berrian pretty easy, if you want a speed guy that's fine just don't overpay for him or find one that is more than just that.
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02-27-2008, 10:40 AM	#68
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-702950	Ok I wasn't going to do this, but seeing as you think you are informed.... http://www.nfl.com/players/bryantjoh...e?id=JOH086211 http://www.nfl.com/players/bernardbe...e?id=BER454540 Lets see Johnson is a year younger..his physical tools are better...and I won't even get into those stats and projects if Johnson actually started 16 games.
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02-27-2008, 11:12 AM	#70
Micjones Whose house? Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $10005180	Justin Gage would be an excellent FA addition. He won't be as big a target as Berrian or Johnson and will be more affordable.
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02-27-2008, 11:24 AM	#74
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