Chiefs Teicher:Chiefs should have a short list of top draft pick candidates - Page 5

Mecca · 02-11-2009, 05:35 AM

Who knew Mike Mayock was a true fan...

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...y/1028585.html

Chiefs should have a short list of top draft pick candidates
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

Hundreds of players are available in this year’s NFL draft, but the Chiefs will have to investigate only a fraction of them when it comes to their first pick.

NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock said only about 10 players are worthy of the Chiefs’ consideration with their top pick, which is third overall.

“There’s probably a total of 10 guys they’ll have to look at and evaluate and then say, ‘OK, here’s our list one, two and three,’ ” Mayock said. “They know they’re getting one of those guys.”

Mayock’s list is heavy on offensive players, which is unfortunate for a team that needs plenty of help on its defensive front seven. It includes quarterbacks Matt Stafford of Georgia and Mark Sanchez of Southern California, wide receivers Michael Crabtree of Texas Tech and Jeremy Maclin of Missouri, running backs Knowshon Moreno of Georgia and Chris Wells of Ohio State and offensive tackles Eugene Monroe of Virginia and Jason Smith of Baylor.

The only defensive players are Wake Forest linebacker Aaron Curry and Texas defensive end Brian Orakpo.

While the Chiefs are closer to being competitive on offense than defense, they have few positions where they couldn’t use some help. Perhaps the only one is cornerback, where rookies Brandon Carr and Brandon Flowers moved into the lineup last season and looked like part of the solution instead of part of the problem.

Picking third, their highest position since taking Neil Smith with the second pick in 1988, would allow the Chiefs a chance at a long-elusive franchise quarterback. Stafford will likely be selected by Detroit with the first pick, but Sanchez could well be available to the Chiefs.

“The potential franchise quarterback is the most important position on your team,” Mayock said. “If I’m building a franchise, the first thing I’m going to do is (investigate) the quarterback position. This year, the guys you better evaluate are Stafford and Sanchez. I’m not trying to tell you they should take them at (No.) 3. I’m saying they had better understand what they are.

“I wish Sanchez went back (to USC) for another year. He needed another year. He’s a kid that only started 16 games, but he’s got the ability and the toughness and the arm strength and can learn the pro game and be a starter.”

Moreno and Wells are the best of the running backs, and the Chiefs could be in the market for a featured back if they dispose of Larry Johnson, who is unhappy in Kansas City and wants out.

The Chiefs drafted Branden Albert in the first round last year, and he looks like their left tackle for several seasons. That’s why the Chiefs probably wouldn’t seriously consider Monroe or Smith, but it’s not impossible because they could use an upgrade on the right side of their line.

With so many other needs, wide receiver probably won’t be a priority. But faced with the opportunity of grabbing a playmaker like Crabtree or Maclin, could the Chiefs turn it down?

Of all the players on Mayock’s list, Curry might make the most sense for the Chiefs. They didn’t get any reliable play from their linebackers last season and lacked a playmaker after trading Jared Allen.

“I’m a big believer that Aaron Curry might be the safest pick in the entire draft,” Mayock said. “I hate to say that, but when you’re sitting at (No.) 3, the thing you can’t afford to do is make a mistake. Worst-case scenario: He’s got to be a good football player. Aaron Curry is that kind of guy.

“He played (strong side) linebacker in college. He dominated the tight end. But I could very easily see him converting to a 3-4 outside linebacker because he can rush the passer well, he drops in coverage well. He’s a fifth-year kid. He’s mature. I just think he’s the safest guy out there.”

Boy that's how I'd wanna make my picks based on the fear of a bust so I reach for a devalued position brilliant!

Mecca · 02-11-2009, 10:19 AM

If you don't want an offensive player argue for Malcolm Jenkins atleast he plays a position of high value.

**DeezNutz** · 02-11-2009, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

Even if he became the best OLB in the game as a traditional 4-3 OLB he isn't really all that valuable...

You're talking about value with a fan base that's best players have been a TE and a G.

KC, as a whole, has no idea what "value" is.

Mecca · 02-11-2009, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

You're talking about value with a fan base that's best players have been a TE and a G.

KC, as a whole, has no idea what "value" is.

Don't forget about the irrational love affair of fullbacks.

Basileus777 · 02-11-2009, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

Even if he became the best OLB in the game as a traditional 4-3 OLB he isn't really all that valuable...

He could be valuable, it's just that even the best WLB's only have so much impact on the game. If Curry were a Merriman or Ware type of player it would be completely different. Hell, if Curry were a MLB I would like him more.

I'm sure I'd be happy with Jenkins though. I don't think corners have nearly the same amount of value they used to and I think he could end up like Antrel Rolle.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-11-2009, 10:22 AM

I'm sorry, but this class is no weaker in the Top 10 than in any other year - the difference is that it LOOKS weaker to us because of those Top 10, our spot at 3 only holds value for a handful of those guys.

At #3, there are only a few positions that are worth that pick:

QB, which we desperately need.

LT, which we don't need at all.

DE, which we desperately need, but none are worth a Top 10 pick, much less Top 3.

You don't take a guy you're moving to RT that early. That wipes out 3 of the Top 10.

You don't take a LB that early unless he projects to be Singletary/Lewis in the middle, or Derrick Thomas/Lawrence Taylor rushing the passer.

As much as I like Maualuga, he's not that guy in the middle, and Curry is far from that kind of player on the outside.

That leaves Jenkins, Crabtree and the QB's.

You'd have to have rocks in your head the size of Gibraltar to pass on a potential franchise QB for another CB, or a WR that is so slow he's avoiding running at the combine.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-11-2009, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

You're talking about value with a fan base that's best players have been a TE and a G.

KC, as a whole, has no idea what "value" is.

Spot on.

CoMoChief · 02-11-2009, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ralphy Boy

The point is that it IS A VERY WEAK DRAFT and there isn't anyone worth trading up to get. You can only trade down when there is a player worth more to another team than to yours. You only trade into the top 5 if you have a can't miss prospect at a position of need.

Different teams have different needs.

**DeezNutz** · 02-11-2009, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

Don't forget about the irrational love affair of fullbacks.

It's going to take years to detox from the Carl years.

You can hear the disbelief in Pioli's voice when he has to answer some of the ridiculous questions at pressers. He's quickly realizing the effects of being hit over the head repeatedly for the last 10 years or so. And these are media people who are supposed to know their shit.

We're on a ****ing intraweb message board.

Mecca · 02-11-2009, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basileus777

He could be valuable, it's just that even the best WLB's only have so much impact on the game. If Curry were a Merriman or Ware type of player it would be completely different. Hell, if Curry were a MLB I would like him more.

I'm sure I'd be happy with Jenkins though. I don't think corners have nearly the same amount of value they used to and I think he could end up like Antrel Rolle.

Maybe not but the CB value is still higher than the 4-3 OLB value..and I've had the FS thought a few times but after really watching him I think he has the skills needed to play at CB.

**DeezNutz** · 02-11-2009, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'm sorry, but this class is no weaker in the Top 10 than in any other year - the difference is that it LOOKS weaker to us because of those Top 10, our spot at 3 only holds value for a handful of those guys.

At #3, there are only a few positions that are worth that pick:

QB, which we desperately need.

LT, which we don't need at all.

DE, which we desperately need, but non are worth a Top 10 pick, much less Top 3.

You don't take a guy your moving to RT that early. That wipes out 3 of the Top 10.

You don't take a LB that early unless he projects to be Singletary/Lewis in the middle, or Derrick Thomas/Lawrence Taylor rushing the passer.

As much as I like Maualuga, he's not that guy in the middle, and Curry is far from that kind of player on the outside.

That leaves Jenkins, Crabtree and the QB's.

You'd have to have rocks in your head the size of Gibraltar to pass on a potential franchise QB for another CB, or a WR that is so slow he's avoiding running at the combine.

You might as well copy this post, and put it aside. Paste when necessary.

This is a very nice explanation for the situation the Chiefs find themselves in.

Tack on a brief bit about how trading down isn't likely to happen, since you know that counter-argument is coming, and you'll save a tremendous amount of time from now until late April.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-11-2009, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

It's going to take years to detox from the Carl years.

You can hear the disbelief in Pioli's voice when he has to answer some of the ridiculous questions at pressers. He's quickly realizing the effects of being hit over the head repeatedly for the last 10 years or so. And these are media people who are supposed to know their shit.

We're on a ****ing intraweb message board.

Absolutely. 20 years of dumbassery is a long, long time in NFL years.

Mecca · 02-11-2009, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

Absolutely. 20 years of dumbassery is a long, long time in NFL years.

It's kind of amusing, everyone bitched about Carl wanted him out, and now a portion of the fan base wants to do things that Carl would do...

What the ****? Is it a trained monkey type of syndrome?

**DeezNutz** · 02-11-2009, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

It's kind of amusing, everyone bitched about Carl wanted him out, and now a portion of the fan base wants to do things that Carl would do...

What the ****? Is it a trained monkey type of syndrome?

That's exactly what it is.

Ever hear a song and not be able to get it out of your head? Even subconsciously you find yourself singing it?

Same principle. We've heard the organ grinder for a long, long time.

A lot of fans are humming.

Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm (on DeezNutz).....

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-11-2009, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

It's kind of amusing, everyone bitched about Carl wanted him out, and now a portion of the fan base wants to do things that Carl would do...

What the ****? Is it a trained monkey type of syndrome?

Peterson Stockholm Syndrome.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

That's exactly what it is.

Ever hear a song and not be able to get it out of your head? Even subconsciously you find yourself singing it?

Same principle. We've heard the organ grinder for a long, long time.

A lot of fans are humming.

Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm (on DeezNutz) .....

CrazyHorse · 02-11-2009, 10:41 AM

Here go the insults.

I guess that means you conceed the point. When you are reduced to insults, a true negotiator understands that you have run the well dry of intelligent debate.

You can either walk away with the same opinion you started with or walk away with a changed opinion.

Or, last but not least, you can stay and kick your feet in tantrum like a grade schooler.

though the last can be fun at times, when it becomes a staple of your persona, it unfortunate.

02-11-2009, 05:35 AM
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-712950	Teicher:Chiefs should have a short list of top draft pick candidates Who knew Mike Mayock was a true fan... http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...y/1028585.html Chiefs should have a short list of top draft pick candidates By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star Hundreds of players are available in this year’s NFL draft, but the Chiefs will have to investigate only a fraction of them when it comes to their first pick. NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock said only about 10 players are worthy of the Chiefs’ consideration with their top pick, which is third overall. “There’s probably a total of 10 guys they’ll have to look at and evaluate and then say, ‘OK, here’s our list one, two and three,’ ” Mayock said. “They know they’re getting one of those guys.” Mayock’s list is heavy on offensive players, which is unfortunate for a team that needs plenty of help on its defensive front seven. It includes quarterbacks Matt Stafford of Georgia and Mark Sanchez of Southern California, wide receivers Michael Crabtree of Texas Tech and Jeremy Maclin of Missouri, running backs Knowshon Moreno of Georgia and Chris Wells of Ohio State and offensive tackles Eugene Monroe of Virginia and Jason Smith of Baylor. The only defensive players are Wake Forest linebacker Aaron Curry and Texas defensive end Brian Orakpo. While the Chiefs are closer to being competitive on offense than defense, they have few positions where they couldn’t use some help. Perhaps the only one is cornerback, where rookies Brandon Carr and Brandon Flowers moved into the lineup last season and looked like part of the solution instead of part of the problem. Picking third, their highest position since taking Neil Smith with the second pick in 1988, would allow the Chiefs a chance at a long-elusive franchise quarterback. Stafford will likely be selected by Detroit with the first pick, but Sanchez could well be available to the Chiefs. “The potential franchise quarterback is the most important position on your team,” Mayock said. “If I’m building a franchise, the first thing I’m going to do is (investigate) the quarterback position. This year, the guys you better evaluate are Stafford and Sanchez. I’m not trying to tell you they should take them at (No.) 3. I’m saying they had better understand what they are. “I wish Sanchez went back (to USC) for another year. He needed another year. He’s a kid that only started 16 games, but he’s got the ability and the toughness and the arm strength and can learn the pro game and be a starter.” Moreno and Wells are the best of the running backs, and the Chiefs could be in the market for a featured back if they dispose of Larry Johnson, who is unhappy in Kansas City and wants out. The Chiefs drafted Branden Albert in the first round last year, and he looks like their left tackle for several seasons. That’s why the Chiefs probably wouldn’t seriously consider Monroe or Smith, but it’s not impossible because they could use an upgrade on the right side of their line. With so many other needs, wide receiver probably won’t be a priority. But faced with the opportunity of grabbing a playmaker like Crabtree or Maclin, could the Chiefs turn it down? Of all the players on Mayock’s list, Curry might make the most sense for the Chiefs. They didn’t get any reliable play from their linebackers last season and lacked a playmaker after trading Jared Allen. “I’m a big believer that Aaron Curry might be the safest pick in the entire draft,” Mayock said. “I hate to say that, but when you’re sitting at (No.) 3, the thing you can’t afford to do is make a mistake. Worst-case scenario: He’s got to be a good football player. Aaron Curry is that kind of guy. “He played (strong side) linebacker in college. He dominated the tight end. But I could very easily see him converting to a 3-4 outside linebacker because he can rush the passer well, he drops in coverage well. He’s a fifth-year kid. He’s mature. I just think he’s the safest guy out there.” Boy that's how I'd wanna make my picks based on the fear of a bust so I reach for a devalued position brilliant!
Posts: 115,380

02-11-2009, 10:19 AM	#61
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-712950	If you don't want an offensive player argue for Malcolm Jenkins atleast he plays a position of high value.
Posts: 115,380

02-11-2009, 10:22 AM	#65
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2051115	I'm sorry, but this class is no weaker in the Top 10 than in any other year - the difference is that it LOOKS weaker to us because of those Top 10, our spot at 3 only holds value for a handful of those guys. At #3, there are only a few positions that are worth that pick: QB, which we desperately need. LT, which we don't need at all. DE, which we desperately need, but none are worth a Top 10 pick, much less Top 3. You don't take a guy you're moving to RT that early. That wipes out 3 of the Top 10. You don't take a LB that early unless he projects to be Singletary/Lewis in the middle, or Derrick Thomas/Lawrence Taylor rushing the passer. As much as I like Maualuga, he's not that guy in the middle, and Curry is far from that kind of player on the outside. That leaves Jenkins, Crabtree and the QB's. You'd have to have rocks in your head the size of Gibraltar to pass on a potential franchise QB for another CB, or a WR that is so slow he's avoiding running at the combine. Last edited by OnTheWarpath15; 02-11-2009 at 10:30 AM..
Posts: 60,758

02-11-2009, 10:41 AM	#75
CrazyHorse All Motor! Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Here go the insults. I guess that means you conceed the point. When you are reduced to insults, a true negotiator understands that you have run the well dry of intelligent debate. You can either walk away with the same opinion you started with or walk away with a changed opinion. Or, last but not least, you can stay and kick your feet in tantrum like a grade schooler. though the last can be fun at times, when it becomes a staple of your persona, it unfortunate.
Posts: 2,118